Minnow on FB, reporting AB testing positive for PD at U23 last year...

[BigRedFan]

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A shocking development that only adds to the madness- it has been revealed that our 86kg Olympic rep Aaron Brooks allegedly failed testing at last year’s u23 world tournament where he won Gold (for adderall, on PED list). There was apparently an issue or error with reporting the script and some red tape came up. He received a temporary TUE waiver to compete at trials and will not know if he’s suspended (or what a suspension may look like) until the end of next week. Apparently lawyers are confident they can get the full approval but as of now, he’s still in limbo.

Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger.

[Mr. PeanutButter]

Can someone fill me in on how much of a benefit Ritalin and similar substances can yield to an athlete? Just trying to understand the situation, not to pass a verdict or insinuate anything 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

8 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Can someone fill me in on how much of a benefit Ritalin and similar substances can yield to an athlete? Just trying to understand the situation, not to pass a verdict or insinuate anything 

Weight cuts.  Alertness.  Fight through fatigue.  Increased aggressiveness. 

Probably missing out on a bunch.

I mean, I take gels with added caffeine on long runs/races for some of the same benefits.  Prob less of an effect with caffeine though.

Edited May 6 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[neweruser69]

7 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Can someone fill me in on how much of a benefit Ritalin and similar substances can yield to an athlete? Just trying to understand the situation, not to pass a verdict or insinuate anything 

Little to none depending on the person. Personally it would have a negative effect on my performance.

This is much ado about nothing.

[mspart]

This is interesting.   He better get that under control before the Olys.   Perhaps he's ADD or ADHD and needs it to concentrate on academics.   But if it is on the list, he should not be taking it. 

mspart

[Truzzcat]

21 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Can someone fill me in on how much of a benefit Ritalin and similar substances can yield to an athlete? Just trying to understand the situation, not to pass a verdict or insinuate anything 

appetite suppression and mental acuity would be the big two that come to mind. In the instance of him cutting weight at 2am and then being able to go and wrestle at a high level 8-9 hours later I'm sure it would also help. I remember it being pretty popular with cornerbacks in the NFL. I believe Richard sherman may have gotten suspended for it. All of the advantages are probably negligible but at the highest levels may give an edge. If he has a prescription, then I don't know how it matters though. What I am wondering is if DT was privies to this information and it is having an impact on his decision to take the job at okie state in case he will be wrestling.

[CHROMEBIRD]

First question should be whether AB had a prescription for the Adderall. If no, that likely points to PED usage. In addition to some of the performance benefits already mentioned, amphetamines like Adderall can also boost energy levels and enhance neural pathways for a boost in speed and reactiveness.

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, neweruser69 said:

Little to none depending on the person. Personally it would have a negative effect on my performance.

This is much ado about nothing.

How is the possibility that an athlete who qualified for the US Olympic Team and tested positive for a substance on the banned list is "much ado about nothing?"  Is there some qualification in the testing process that I missed which says "well, if it doesn't benefit you personally, then no big deal"?

Here's the NCAA prohibited list (containing adderall):  https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2015/6/10/ncaa-banned-substances.aspx

Here's the US ADA statement on TUEs for stimulants such as adderall:  https://www.usada.org/spirit-of-sport/education/athletes-adhd-know-about-tues/

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, Truzzcat said:

If he has a prescription, then I don't know how it matters though.

It matters because a prescription is not enough:  an athlete needs a Therapeutic Use Exemption, which must be obtained *prior* to any testing, and which requires substantial medical support (by a psychiatrist or other physician) indicating that the condition is present and the substance in question is the only or best treatment.  From the USADA website (https://www.usada.org/spirit-of-sport/three-things-know-tues/ ), emphasis added:

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Every TUE application is judged on its medical merits and ability to satisfy specific criteria, so it’s important that athletes have more than just a doctor’s prescription. In competitive sport, it’s essential that athletes have documentation of a medical condition with a confirmed diagnosis, rationale for why non-prohibited alternatives are not medically appropriate, and a clear treatment plan to show that they require the prohibited substance or method. Betterment of generalized symptoms alone is not sufficient justification to obtain a TUE.

 

[BigRedFan]

5 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

First question should be whether AB had a prescription for the Adderall. If no, that likely points to PED usage. In addition to some of the performance benefits already mentioned, amphetamines like Adderall can also boost energy levels and enhance neural pathways for a boost in speed and reactiveness.

No, the only question is whether AB had a TUE prior to the test.  If not, then he would have had an AAF (Adverse Analytic Finding).  All this is, of course, speculation.

The actual second question is whether all testing and notification protocols along with appropriate sanctions were followed.  

[Truzzcat]

2 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

It matters because a prescription is not enough:  an athlete needs a Therapeutic Use Exemption, which must be obtained *prior* to any testing, and which requires substantial medical support (by a psychiatrist or other physician) indicating that the condition is present and the substance in question is the only or best treatment.  From the USADA website (https://www.usada.org/spirit-of-sport/three-things-know-tues/ ), emphasis added:

 

in that case they will probably have to petition for time served... Which is a bit BS simply because he never actually missed anytime wrestling but that seems like the likely route. 

[Threadkilla]

I took Adderall for 20 years and it was definitely not an athletic performance enhancer for me anyway.   It can definitely help focus, but it was more of a detriment as I was mountain biking 60 miles a day, It caused cramping and elevated heart rate etc. Conversely, marijuana was definitely a performance enhancer for biking and other sports that's why a pretty large percentage of the jiu-jitsu practitioners use it.

[Eagle26]

4 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Can someone fill me in on how much of a benefit Ritalin and similar substances can yield to an athlete? Just trying to understand the situation, not to pass a verdict or insinuate anything 

There was a Flo doc on Gregor Gillespie that got in to this a little bit. I would recommend watching it if you can. 

[Bulldog]

Didn't Jordan Oliver do year for EXACTLY this?

[WrestlingRasta]

Is there anyone claiming this other than the 'source' listed here?  To those already deciding what the only question is ..... I would at least pause a minute.

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Is there anyone claiming this other than the 'source' listed here?  To those already deciding what the only question is ..... I would at least pause a minute.

Of course, all of this assumes that there is a "there" there.  If there was no "there" there, then Minnow could be opening himself up to some serious libel, although IANAL.

[MPhillips]

1 hour ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Is there anyone claiming this other than the 'source' listed here?  To those already deciding what the only question is ..... I would at least pause a minute.

“You can fool some people some times but you cant fool all the people all the time”

[Le duke]

It’s quite interesting that USADA or WADA didn’t inform USAW or the NCAA. Also, they tend to announce these things. “Joe Smith returned an AAF for weed at the Half Pipe World Championships at Telluride. The case has been referred to the International Snowboarding Bro Federation.”

If they returned an AAF, AB would be suspended and not eligible to compete until resolved.

So, either no AAF was returned or the situation was resolved.


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[maligned]

19 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Can someone fill me in on how much of a benefit Ritalin and similar substances can yield to an athlete? Just trying to understand the situation, not to pass a verdict or insinuate anything 

Others have mentioned the potential enhancements that are true for a non-ADHD brain. Adderall and other related stimulants have been shown to help with short-term weight loss, focus, and intensity of performance for a non-ADHD mind.

For the chemistry of an ADHD brain, adderall and other stimulants actually calm the mind and help regulate executive function for normal life--rather than heighten the brain's activity. They also don't suppress his appetite other than in the first days of taking it.  If he genuinely has an ADHD diagnosis and he's been on adderall for an extended period, it's having zero impact on his wrestling ability. 

[forkemaz]

On 5/6/2024 at 11:11 AM, neweruser69 said:

Little to none depending on the person. Personally it would have a negative effect on my performance.

This is much ado about nothing.

Bull spit

[maligned]

29 minutes ago, forkemaz said:

Bull spit

It doesn't seem like you've been around anyone with genuine ADHD symptoms. For the "normal", non-divergent mind that may have experimented with Adderall or Ritalin, it's almost impossible to imagine how different the effects are. 

[forkemaz]

2 hours ago, maligned said:

It doesn't seem like you've been around anyone with genuine ADHD symptoms. For the "normal", non-divergent mind that may have experimented with Adderall or Ritalin, it's almost impossible to imagine how different the effects are. 

Ive lived with multiple. Ive asked their opinion on this very subject. They say it shouldnt be allowed. And its not. For a reason. So you keep pushing your opinion....

 

Oh and just about anyone can get a script. And adhd is fake but thats besides the point. Ive asked people who are life time users and ive consulted the rules. It aint allowed.

Edited May 8 by forkemaz

[Bigbrog]

ADHD is fake??    

[Truzzcat]

so did mineo have like a fever dream and make this up in his head I have heard and seen nothing about this since he mentioned it and it seems like something that would not go overlooked once brought to light.

[maligned]

48 minutes ago, forkemaz said:

And adhd is fake but thats besides the point.

Nope. That opinion was clearly your point from the beginning.

It's way over diagnosed. That part is true. My sister and some others I know have been diagnosed and they don't take or need meds and I don't get the diagnosis at all. But with a stimulant, my father and my daughter, on the other hand, go from level 2 life functionality with hyperactivity and agitation through the roof to calm, relaxed, level 8 functioning human beings with virtually zero hyperactivity or anxiety.

You know there are hundreds of studies of brain chemistry and brain function on the ADHD mind, right? With physical results, not theoretical psych mumbo jumbo. You know this, right? 

Anyway, your second point about ease of getting a diagnosis and accessing Adderal is 100% correct too. Brooks not having a TUE is irresponsible at best and probably points to cheating, sadly. You're not wrong.