Are all the Pro-Palestine, anti Israel protests helping or hurting the Democrats?

[Scouts Honor]

family bonding 

[Scouts Honor]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Is he being blocked because he's Jewish or is he being blocked because all students are being blocked. You guys love to complain about people pulling the race card unjustifiably. Can't have it both ways. Show me that only Jewish students are being blocked.

(I don't think any udent should be blocked and my local protest is not doing so)

if ANY student can't get through or in... that's a problem.

which is why they should remove these people

[Hammerlock3]

I'm trying to leverage against my own bias, but who is the thought leader of the "free palestine" movement. Who is their smartest representative.

 

[uncle bernard]

2 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

I'm trying to leverage against my own bias, but who is the thought leader of the "free palestine" movement. Who is their smartest representative.

 

if you’re actually interested i can point you in the right direction. 

[uncle bernard]

44 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

if ANY student can't get through or in... that's a problem.

which is why they should remove these people

i don’t agree with blocking students. that’s not how every protest is. 

[Hammerlock3]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

if you’re actually interested i can point you in the right direction. 

what have I said in this topic that leads you to think i'm setting you up for a cheap joke or argumentative ploy.....

but whatever you can ignore that question yes I am curious.

[uncle bernard]

coupled with this

is extremely concerning. 

[uncle bernard]

2 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

what have I said in this topic that leads you to think i'm setting you up for a cheap joke or argumentative ploy.....

but whatever you can ignore that question yes I am curious.

i’d start with this two part intro on anti-zionism

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/zionism-vs-anti-zionism-ep-1-w-shaul-magid/id1043245989?i=1000637860348

if you don’t want to listen to both parts listen to part 2 which covers post-1948 and the modern anti-zionist movement. haven’t listened to the whole thing yet myself but i’m familiar with this podcast and they do good work.

part 2 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-dig/id1043245989?i=1000638705286

 

[Hammerlock3]

Just now, uncle bernard said:

i’d start with this two part intro on anti-zionism

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/zionism-vs-anti-zionism-ep-1-w-shaul-magid/id1043245989?i=1000637860348

if you don’t want to listen to both parts listen to part 2 which covers post-1948 and the modern anti-zionist movement. haven’t listened to the whole thing yet myself but i’m familiar with this podcast and they do good work.

part 2 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-dig/id1043245989?i=1000638705286

 

thank you

[Offthemat]

56 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

I'm trying to leverage against my own bias, but who is the thought leader of the "free palestine" movement. Who is their smartest representative.

 

According to a couple of scholars “it’s not the STEM”  “it’s not the physics” majors and professors.  

[JimmyBT]

Protests becoming less and less peaceful 

[red viking]

I'm glad to see that people are finally waking up to the Israeli brutality and genocide against the Palestinians that has actually been going on for decades. 

Eventually our politicians will have to stand up to these thugs. 

[uncle bernard]

 

 

[Scouts Honor]

arrest bibi hmmm

wonder if there is an international warrant out for the perpetrators of 10/7

[Husker_Du]

has any of the genius campus protesters realized hamas still has hostages (since october), or nah?

[Offthemat]

13 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

thank you

Try:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/04/who-are-these-people.php

[Husker_Du]

it's so funny it's sad.

the college students don't know squat.

the same group of idiots that shout 'down with capitalism'

take money from the biggest capitalists in the world to fight for a cause they know nothing about.

and yes, it's racist

https://www.google.com/search?q=who+is+funding+the+college+protests&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS929US929&oq=who+is+fun&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEAAYAzIGCAAQABgDMgYIARBFGDkyBwgCEAAYgAQyBwgDEAAYgAQyBwgEEAAYgAQyBwgFEAAYgAQyBwgGEAAYgAQyBwgHEAAYgAQyBwgIEAAYgAQyBwgJEAAYgASoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#ip=1

[uncle bernard]

53 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

arrest bibi hmmm

wonder if there is an international warrant out for the perpetrators of 10/7

Warrants for Hamas leaders are being proposed in the same process by the ICC. All of this information is out there if you cared to look for it.

[uncle bernard]

18 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

it's so funny it's sad.

the college students don't know squat.

the same group of idiots that shout 'down with capitalism'

take money from the biggest capitalists in the world to fight for a cause they know nothing about.

and yes, it's racist

https://www.google.com/search?q=who+is+funding+the+college+protests&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS929US929&oq=who+is+fun&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEAAYAzIGCAAQABgDMgYIARBFGDkyBwgCEAAYgAQyBwgDEAAYgAQyBwgEEAAYgAQyBwgFEAAYgAQyBwgGEAAYgAQyBwgHEAAYgAQyBwgIEAAYgAQyBwgJEAAYgASoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#ip=1

Given your butchering of the basic facts of this conflict on here, you don't get to say people don't know anything about the cause. The average protester (and counter-protester) knows 100x more about this than you.

And yes, George Soros, a jew, clearly hates the jews. Ironic that we've circled back around to this. Soros, for years, has been the figurehead of right-wing antisemitic conspiracy and paranoia. Now the same people say he's actually attacking jews and they're defending them.

[Husker_Du]

1) i don't claim to be the foremost authority on the situation. and by 'butchering' i'm assuming you mean one singular mistake i stated. that being said, i know what's been reported. did you click on even one of the links?

2) someone is funding them, you can at least admit that, correct? a litany of outlets have connected the funding to, among others, Soros, who can best be described as a billionaire agent of chaos

3) stick your head in the sand all you want and shout 'right wing conspiracy theory!'. would you like to keep a scorecard of all the things you whacked out libs claimed were right wing conspiracies in the last 4 years and how many are now considered common knowledge?

4) i didn't say 'the average protester' i said the 'average student protester. the same group who thinks men can get pregnant. 

[uncle bernard]

11 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

1) i don't claim to be the foremost authority on the situation. and by 'butchering' i'm assuming you mean one singular mistake i stated. that being said, i know what's been reported. did you click on even one of the links?

2) someone is funding them, you can at least admit that, correct? a litany of outlets have connected the funding to, among others, Soros, who can best be described as a billionaire agent of chaos

3) stick your head in the sand all you want and shout 'right wing conspiracy theory!'. would you like to keep a scorecard of all the things you whacked out libs claimed were right wing conspiracies in the last 4 years and how many are now considered common knowledge?

4) i didn't say 'the average protester' i said the 'average student protester. the same group who thinks men can get pregnant. 

1) You've made more than one mistake. You didn't even know what ethnic cleansing meant. And yes I looked at the links and saw those reports last night. It's like clockwork. They do this every time there's a protest.

2) Organizations involved certainly receive donations. If you think a large number of the protesters are paid to be there, you're wrong. I've been there everyday with dozens of friends and none of us are getting paid. This is a classic line that's been used for years and years. Every grassroots protest is secretly organized and paid for by a secret cabal. They said it about civil rights, vietnam, south african apartheid, etc... People just care a lot about these issues and are willing to show up.

Why is that hard to believe? You don't think a thousand people in a city of 8 million could show up on their own? Plus, you underestimate how enjoyable these protests are. Getting to break bread with people you like and meet new friends is fun! Not everybody wants to scroll on twitter all day, every day.

3) Give me an example

4) The average student protester knows even more. They would dance circles around you on this because they've actually done research for years and not just read a few tweets and an occasional wikipedia article in the last 6 months.

Edited April 30 by uncle bernard

[Husker_Du]

1) lol. that's not even close to what the conversation was re: 'ethnic cleansing'. what i said was that there will be no peace until they are legitimately and fully separated and don't 'share' a state.

2) because there are videos of people saying they don't really know why there are protesting and that they've gotten paid

3) wuhan lab, covid vaccine, 'open' borders, steele dossier

4) again, there are plenty of videos. riddle me this - what sense does it make for the LGBTQ class to support (in droves) a) the muslim religion whose own doctrines would rather see them killed  b) a terror backed nation at that?

to be clear on point 4, it's not just this issue - i generally think undergrad freedom fighters are about the dumbest humans on earth. 

you know, Bernard, i've grown to respect you in a way. you are clearly educated on a great deal of things.

but i don't think there's much point in our going back and forth on this particular matter as we'll just be going in circles.

for me, it starts and stops with a nation and a people who have been under attack more than any in human history - the most recent of which was a massacre from a terror network.

you can say 'yeah, but...'

but no. 

if you came in my house and hurt my family i'd go scorched earth too. that's where i'm at, for better or worse. 

and now, i'm watching, as wholly innocent americans are blocked, beaten and threatened for the audacity of simply being.

it's racism in 2024. no matter how much you want to maintain some level of 'this is mostly peaceful,' this aint it. 

 

[uncle bernard]

56 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

1) lol. that's not even close to what the conversation was re: 'ethnic cleansing'. what i said was that there will be no peace until they are legitimately and fully separated and don't 'share' a state.

2) because there are videos of people saying they don't really know why there are protesting and that they've gotten paid

3) wuhan lab, covid vaccine, 'open' borders, steele dossier

4) again, there are plenty of videos. riddle me this - what sense does it make for the LGBTQ class to support (in droves) a) the muslim religion whose own doctrines would rather see them killed  b) a terror backed nation at that?

to be clear on point 4, it's not just this issue - i generally think undergrad freedom fighters are about the dumbest humans on earth. 

you know, Bernard, i've grown to respect you in a way. you are clearly educated on a great deal of things.

but i don't think there's much point in our going back and forth on this particular matter as we'll just be going in circles.

for me, it starts and stops with a nation and a people who have been under attack more than any in human history - the most recent of which was a massacre from a terror network.

you can say 'yeah, but...'

but no. 

if you came in my house and hurt my family i'd go scorched earth too. that's where i'm at, for better or worse. 

and now, i'm watching, as wholly innocent americans are blocked, beaten and threatened for the audacity of simply being.

it's racism in 2024. no matter how much you want to maintain some level of 'this is mostly peaceful,' this aint it. 

 

1) You said you didn't support ethnic cleansing, you support [insert the textbook definition of ethnic cleansing]

2) can you send me videos of people saying they were paid. i want my check!

3) I'm not sure what any of this means.

4) Because these students (and myself) believe in a universal set of human rights regardless of what those people might believe. That consistency is essential. When you stray from it you get into a relativistic mindset that can be used to justify almost any crime. 

Highlighted section #1) 100%. That's a normal human reaction! Now, imagine living in an occupied strip of land with no resources and you have a gun pointed at you every time you want to cross the street. imagine your family across the street gets incinerated one night because Israel thinks one of them might be Hamas. Imagine living in a house for 50 years and then one day a settler family escorted by the IDF knocks on your door and tells you it's their house now. That's the reality of life in Gaza and the West Bank and that's why the current violence will only perpetuate this cycle. Palestinians see Israeli violence as a justification for their violence. Israelis see Palestinian violence as a justification for their violence. There is no military solution to this problem that doesn't involve genocide and/or ethnic cleansing, and even then you likely only bolster the militant movement in surrounding nations. 

You think I want Hamas to persist. That's not true. I just don't think this is the way to accomplish it. It's not going to work.

Highlighted section #2) Why can't you apply that to the inarguably larger number of Americans being assaulted for peacefully protesting? My protest is 100% peaceful with both Jewish and Muslim religious ceremonies taking place. Food is shared. Songs are sung. Students are writing their final papers out in the sun. We are totally out of the way of any campus activity in the specifically designated campus protest area, which has been used for decades. Zero students have been blocked from campus. And yet, twice we were assaulted by police in riot gear with snipers on the roof. Where are the tears for us? 

Edited April 30 by uncle bernard

[Scouts Honor]

eradicating hamas is not ethnic cleansing.

[braves121]

26 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

eradicating hamas is not ethnic cleansing.

It is when they indiscriminately kill countless civilians to try to accomplish this.