Penn State's run might be coming to an end - but it might take 5 more years!

[scorenomore]

Penn St has had an amazing run atop of college wrestling.  He made his money in the upper weights, pioneering financing and special medical practices.  He recruited amazing talent (especially in the upper weights) and for the most part, took them to higher levels and developed the most dominate multi-time champions in recent memory.

However, the arms race has been legalized and competition by Michigan, Iowa and other schools is making an impact - the field has been leveled.  Cael still owns the coaching advantage and will win ties.

Cael also is a younger coach beating out the old blue bloods of Smith, Brands and Ryan.  Over the next 5 years, these three coaches will likely turn over to the likes of Askren, Taylor, Burroughs, Snyder, Dake....Iowa style will be reinvented, recruiting against an aging John Smith will end, and who knows what happens at Ohio State, but the money and facilities are in place.

Penn State has now had to dip into the portal instead of its recruiting prowess and talent development.  Casey Cunningham likely retires after his son finishes in 5 years.  After this olympic cycle, we will see elite athletes make their move.

Askren to Wisconsin, Taylor + Dake to Iowa and Burroughs officially on staff at Penn to take over the ivy league.  These big time coaching changes will spread the recruits around and level the playing field.  These changes will hurt Penn State and benefit Ohio State the most, not because it is getting the next best set of recruits but because Penn State will drop down to sub 100 points which then makes them beatable.

[Idaho]

14 minutes ago, scorenomore said:

Penn St has had an amazing run atop of college wrestling.  He made his money in the upper weights, pioneering financing and special medical practices.  He recruited amazing talent (especially in the upper weights) and for the most part, took them to higher levels and developed the most dominate multi-time champions in recent memory.

However, the arms race has been legalized and competition by Michigan, Iowa and other schools is making an impact - the field has been leveled.  Cael still owns the coaching advantage and will win ties.

Cael also is a younger coach beating out the old blue bloods of Smith, Brands and Ryan.  Over the next 5 years, these three coaches will likely turn over to the likes of Askren, Taylor, Burroughs, Snyder, Dake....Iowa style will be reinvented, recruiting against an aging John Smith will end, and who knows what happens at Ohio State, but the money and facilities are in place.

Penn State has now had to dip into the portal instead of its recruiting prowess and talent development.  Casey Cunningham likely retires after his son finishes in 5 years.  After this olympic cycle, we will see elite athletes make their move.

Askren to Wisconsin, Taylor + Dake to Iowa and Burroughs officially on staff at Penn to take over the ivy league.  These big time coaching changes will spread the recruits around and level the playing field.  These changes will hurt Penn State and benefit Ohio State the most, not because it is getting the next best set of recruits but because Penn State will drop down to sub 100 points which then makes them beatable.

When I put soap opera music behind this and listen to it in a Morgan Freeman voice, it all makes sense. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

The field has been leveled? There are 172.5 rebuttals.

The field will be leveled? Yeah, probably at some point.

[Le duke]

The field has been leveled? There are 172.5 rebuttals.
The field will be leveled? Yeah, probably at some point.

Slumlord Supreme, AKA the field leveler himself, was notably absent from GIA/HR the last few months.


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[AgaveMaria]

12 hours ago, scorenomore said:

developed the most dominate multi-time champions

Dominant.

Be that as it may, Penn State coaching will keep on keep'n on.

[Wrestleknownothing]

26 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Slumlord Supreme, AKA the field leveler himself, was notably absent from GIA/HR the last few months.


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Yeah, he had a real bad run on GIA for a while. Maybe someone did him a favor and got a hold of his phone and changed his password so he couldn't post anymore.

[PortaJohn]

Predictions. 

- Cael gets to 16 titles then retires. 

-DT gets brought on to the staff after this Olympic Cycle in some role whether on the PSU staff or NLWC. 

-Ben Askren doesn't take a head coaching position.  Max takes over at Wiscy.  The Badgers syphon the AWA pipeline

-DT and Kyle Dake take over the PSU program 

Edited April 1 by PortaJohn

[Threadkilla]

On 3/30/2024 at 9:37 PM, scorenomore said:

Penn St has had an amazing run atop of college wrestling.  He made his money in the upper weights, pioneering financing and special medical practices.  He recruited amazing talent (especially in the upper weights) and for the most part, took them to higher levels and developed the most dominate multi-time champions in recent memory.

However, the arms race has been legalized and competition by Michigan, Iowa and other schools is making an impact - the field has been leveled.  Cael still owns the coaching advantage and will win ties.

Cael also is a younger coach beating out the old blue bloods of Smith, Brands and Ryan.  Over the next 5 years, these three coaches will likely turn over to the likes of Askren, Taylor, Burroughs, Snyder, Dake....Iowa style will be reinvented, recruiting against an aging John Smith will end, and who knows what happens at Ohio State, but the money and facilities are in place.

Penn State has now had to dip into the portal instead of its recruiting prowess and talent development.  Casey Cunningham likely retires after his son finishes in 5 years.  After this olympic cycle, we will see elite athletes make their move.

Askren to Wisconsin, Taylor + Dake to Iowa and Burroughs officially on staff at Penn to take over the ivy league.  These big time coaching changes will spread the recruits around and level the playing field.  These changes will hurt Penn State and benefit Ohio State the most, not because it is getting the next best set of recruits but because Penn State will drop down to sub 100 points which then makes them beatable.

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[Truzzcat]

the AWA pipeline alone may make you a top 2 team at this point. Keck,MM,Keegan will probably score 75 points themselves at nationals next year and possibly be champs at 165,174,184. I think the mirasolas and Sinclair are going to be problems immediately too. That would be super exciting if one of max or ben take a head coaching position simply because of the talent coming out of that club.

[1032004]

21 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Predictions. 

- Cael gets to 16 titles then retires. 

-DT gets brought on to the staff after this Olympic Cycle in some role whether on the PSU staff or NLWC. 

-Ben Askren doesn't take a head coaching position.  Max takes over at Wiscy.  The Badgers syphon the AWA pipeline

-DT and Kyle Dake take over the PSU program 

Do you think Cunningham stays?

[PortaJohn]

11 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Do you think Cunningham stays?

Im with the OP that Cunningham retires when Asher graduates.  My predictions are pure speculation. 

PSU needs to put in place a succession plan and losing DT to another school would be a major fail

[1032004]

56 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Im with the OP that Cunningham retires when Asher graduates.  My predictions are pure speculation. 

PSU needs to put in place a succession plan and losing DT to another school would be a major fail

Maybe leaves PSU but do you think he he retires?  He’s not even 50 yet right?

[gromit]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Maybe leaves PSU but do you think he he retires?  He’s not even 50 yet right?

He's 47.

[HarryConnickJr]

On 3/31/2024 at 9:06 AM, AgaveMaria said:

Dominant.

Be that as it may, Penn State coaching will keep on keep'n on.

It always blows my mind how often people cannot seem to comprehend the difference… maybe this was intentional/part of the troll job but ffs use your head

[scorenomore]

Laughing now!  It began with NIL and Iowa, followed by Michigan and now Oklahoma State.  There will be a new champ in the next 5 years.

[ionel]

23 minutes ago, scorenomore said:

Laughing now!  It began with NIL and Iowa, followed by Michigan and now Oklahoma State.  There will be a new champ in the next 5 years.

I feel bad for Vak, he may have missed his last chance to see Iowa beat OSU and he was invited.  

[scourge165]

On 3/30/2024 at 8:37 PM, scorenomore said:

However, the arms race has been legalized and competition by Michigan, Iowa and other schools is making an impact - the field has been leveled.  Cael still owns the coaching advantage and will win ties.

And yet they just set the record for points. They're stronger than ever and they're recruiting at a higher level than ever.

They're also spending 2X as much as anyone else.

On 3/30/2024 at 8:37 PM, scorenomore said:

Cael also is a younger coach beating out the old blue bloods of Smith, Brands and Ryan.  Over the next 5 years, these three coaches will likely turn over to the likes of Askren, Taylor, Burroughs, Snyder, Dake....Iowa style will be reinvented, recruiting against an aging John Smith will end, and who knows what happens at Ohio State, but the money and facilities are in place.

Askren has repeatedly stated his desire to coach AWA. The Badgers AD has been pretty clear about steering away.

I don't know that JB, Snyder or Dake want to get into Collegiate Head Coaching.

tOSU is in the strongest position now...and PSU is still SO much deeper. They have to find a way to get the #1 overall recruit from his class and one of the two Freshmen who took 3rd at '49 into the lineup. In addition to that, the #1 seed at '25 is likely going to lose his spot next year.

On 3/30/2024 at 8:37 PM, scorenomore said:

 

Penn State has now had to dip into the portal instead of its recruiting prowess and talent development.  Casey Cunningham likely retires after his son finishes in 5 years.  After this olympic cycle, we will see elite athletes make their move.

No they didn't. They absolutely didn't HAVE to. Mesenbrink, Nagao, Truax, they CHOOSE to go there and they didn't need any of the three to win. Without them you Barclaough at '57 and Facundo at '65. Not exactly chopped liver. 

The portal ALLOWED them to RS guys who were ready to go like Barr, and at '33 it's not like they scored a whole lot of points anyway. 

What are you basing your Cunningham guess on? Just...that's when his kid will be 4 years into College? That's it? 

On 3/30/2024 at 8:37 PM, scorenomore said:

Askren to Wisconsin

Still not something either side wants.

On 3/30/2024 at 8:37 PM, scorenomore said:

These changes will hurt Penn State and benefit Ohio State the most, not because it is getting the next best set of recruits but because Penn State will drop down to sub 100 points which then makes them beatable.

So David Taylor stays at PSU in your scenario, but it's still gong to help tOSU? If you were talking about in the next 2-3 years, maybe you'd have a point. Still think you'd be wrong, but it'd make sense.

42 minutes ago, scorenomore said:

Laughing now!  It began with NIL and Iowa, followed by Michigan and now Oklahoma State.  There will be a new champ in the next 5 years.

Yes. Because you think what Iowa and Michigan have done in any way posed a threat to Penn State.

Taylor to Okie State, that will have a significant impact. That wasn't anywhere near your original comment...so...curious how you're taking a victory lap. 

PSU is still head and shoulders ahead of anyone else. Now, one more school has a chance.

When you posted this, there was one school that could reasonably challenge PSU. Now, maybe, in the future, there will be a 2nd. It's also as likely that when Cunningham steps down, Cael does and Taylor goes back to State College.