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Who will win OTTs at 57kg, 65kg, and 74kg?


Who will win OTTs at 57kg, 65kg, and 74kg?  

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  1. 1. Who will win OTTs at 57kg?

    • S. Lee
      48
    • Richards
      1
    • Gilman
      6
    • Megaludis
      0
    • Cronin
      0
    • Fix (?)
      0
    • Figueroa (?)
      0
    • Vito (?)
      16
    • Gross (?)
      0
    • Suriano (?)
      2
    • Someone Else
      0
  2. 2. Who will win OTTs at 65kg?

    • N. Lee
      15
    • Yianni
      24
    • Alirez
      19
    • Mendez
      1
    • Bartlett
      1
    • McKenna
      2
    • Zain (?)
      11
    • Henson (?)
      0
    • Someone Else
      0
  3. 3. Who will win OTTs at 74kg?

    • Dake
      48
    • Burroughs
      12
    • Mesenbrink
      1
    • KOT
      3
    • Nolf
      7
    • Carr
      0
    • Haines (?)
      0
    • Shapiro (?)
      0
    • Marsteller (?)
      1
    • Starocci (?)
      0
    • Someone Else
      1

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I don’t know who will win at 57, but I think Lee has the best chance if he’s healthy. 
At 65, wow, I don’t know, maybe Nick Lee, but I do wonder about Alirez. 
74, I’m sure KOT will be a huge factor, but I think it’ll be Dake or Nolf.

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Gimme Vito, Yianni, Dake

I think Spencer has the best game in town when he’s healthy, but he’s like Gomez at this point, knees are always a concern.

Yianni, I’m hoping, is back from his dinged noggin.  Nick Lee has a very strong anti-Yianni style, but Yianni has the tools to go further.

Dake…is Dake.  It’s his weight class and, even though the weight class is deep, he’s a generational talent and its his time.  Dake was very smart in that he adapted his style to be easier on his body.  This was JB’s downfall I believe.  10K reps of ploughing his face into the faces and chests of the strongest people on the planet takes a toll.

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10 hours ago, wrestle87 said:

Gimme Vito, Yianni, Dake

I think Spencer has the best game in town when he’s healthy, but he’s like Gomez at this point, knees are always a concern.

Yianni, I’m hoping, is back from his dinged noggin.  Nick Lee has a very strong anti-Yianni style, but Yianni has the tools to go further.

Dake…is Dake.  It’s his weight class and, even though the weight class is deep, he’s a generational talent and its his time.  Dake was very smart in that he adapted his style to be easier on his body.  This was JB’s downfall I believe.  10K reps of ploughing his face into the faces and chests of the strongest people on the planet takes a toll.

JB has been around a long time and just won a tough tourney - not sure what we have seen with him has been a downfall.  more like suprising longevity

true that Dake is beast and may be at or near his peak

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7 hours ago, Elevator said:

JB has been around a long time and just won a tough tourney - not sure what we have seen with him has been a downfall.  more like suprising longevity

true that Dake is beast and may be at or near his peak

Jordan Burroughs: I just don't see it happening.  Too much to ask of the old guy.

What tough tourney did JB just win?  If you're referring to Yasar Dogu, the field was watered-down because it was not a ranking series event this year. 

He hasn't made scratch 74kg since he lost the OTT to Dake in April '21.  His two recent events at 74kg (Yasar Dogu, March '24; Kunaev, Nov '23) were both single-day events with a 2kg weight allowance. 

74kg was always a tough cut for him. At the OTT, He'll have to make scratch weight both days AND win the challenge bracket.  Going back to when he first made a World Team in 2011, Burroughs has NEVER had to go through a challenge tourney bracket to make a World or Olympic team.  He won the US Open in 2011 to get a bye, and This year, he'll have to go through the following just to get to Dake:

  • 2023 Bill Farrell champion – Jason Nolf (Nittany Lion WC)
  • 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 165 lbs - David Carr (Iowa State)
  • 2023 U20 World champion – Mitchell Mesenbrink (Askren Wrestling Academy)
  • 2023 U23 World champion – Keegan O'Toole (Tiger Style WC)
  • 2023 Senior Nationals champion – Quincy Monday (NJRTC/Titan Mercury WC)
  • 2023 Senior Nationals 2nd place – Alex Marinelli (Hawkeye WC/Titan Mercury WC)
  • 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place – Alex Facundo (Nittany Lion WC/Titan Mercury WC)
  • 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place – Jarrett Jacques (Tiger Style WC)
  • 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place – Tyler Berger (Pennsylvania RTC)
  • 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 157 lbs - Levi Haines (Penn State)
  • Whomever survives the 34-man Last Chance Qualifier bracket (Vincenzo Joseph?)
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6 hours ago, lu_alum said:

Jordan Burroughs: I just don't see it happening.  Too much to ask of the old guy.

What tough tourney did JB just win?  If you're referring to Yasar Dogu, the field was watered-down because it was not a ranking series event this year. 

He hasn't made scratch 74kg since he lost the OTT to Dake in April '21.  His two recent events at 74kg (Yasar Dogu, March '24; Kunaev, Nov '23) were both single-day events with a 2kg weight allowance. 

74kg was always a tough cut for him. At the OTT, He'll have to make scratch weight both days AND win the challenge bracket.  Going back to when he first made a World Team in 2011, Burroughs has NEVER had to go through a challenge tourney bracket to make a World or Olympic team.  He won the US Open in 2011 to get a bye, and This year, he'll have to go through the following just to get to Dake:

  • 2023 Bill Farrell champion – Jason Nolf (Nittany Lion WC)
  • 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 165 lbs - David Carr (Iowa State)
  • 2023 U20 World champion – Mitchell Mesenbrink (Askren Wrestling Academy)
  • 2023 U23 World champion – Keegan O'Toole (Tiger Style WC)
  • 2023 Senior Nationals champion – Quincy Monday (NJRTC/Titan Mercury WC)
  • 2023 Senior Nationals 2nd place – Alex Marinelli (Hawkeye WC/Titan Mercury WC)
  • 2023 Senior Nationals 3rd place – Alex Facundo (Nittany Lion WC/Titan Mercury WC)
  • 2023 Senior Nationals 4th place – Jarrett Jacques (Tiger Style WC)
  • 2023 Senior Nationals 5th place – Tyler Berger (Pennsylvania RTC)
  • 2024 NCAA D1 champion at 157 lbs - Levi Haines (Penn State)
  • Whomever survives the 34-man Last Chance Qualifier bracket (Vincenzo Joseph?)

IMO JB’s main issue is age. Freestyler’s primes seem to be in their mid 20s. But JB turns 36 this summer.

Saitiev last won gold at the age of 33, and I suspect that JB’s last gold will end up being the one he won at 34 (in 2022).

No shame in aging like everyone else. 

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I used to think that JB would have called it a career after 2020, but obviously he had other ideas. But if JB can’t make the team this year I don’t see him continuing on as a competitor. 

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All indications have pointed to this year being JB's last run, no matter how far he goes.  The odds are stacked against him for sure.  For all us JB fans, just be ready.  The man has given us a lot over the years.

There was a lot of separation between Dake and the 74kg domestic field last year, hard to imagine anyone making that ground up on him.  

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9 hours ago, de4856 said:

I used to think that JB would have called it a career after 2020, but obviously he had other ideas. But if JB can’t make the team this year I don’t see him continuing on as a competitor. 

I believe that was the plan until he lost to Dake.  2024 is a vision quest for redemption.

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At last year's world championships, the average age of a freestyle gold medalist was 25.5.

There's been talk about JB's age -- who will be 36 this summer -- but what Dake's? He just turned 33. Has he slowed down at all?

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9 hours ago, peanut said:

At last year's world championships, the average age of a freestyle gold medalist was 25.5.

There's been talk about JB's age -- who will be 36 this summer -- but what Dake's? He just turned 33. Has he slowed down at all?

Keep in mind Dake is Benjamin Buttons.

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1 hour ago, lu_alum said:

Keep in mind Dake is Benjamin Buttons.

Correct.

11 hours ago, peanut said:

At last year's world championships, the average age of a freestyle gold medalist was 25.5.

There's been talk about JB's age -- who will be 36 this summer -- but what Dake's? He just turned 33. Has he slowed down at all?

There are concerns that he will be too small for 74 KG this go and that his more natural size (right now) is more towards 70 KG.

By next Olympics I fully expect him to be our 65 KG rep.  He'll then likely enter tweener zone again, but still be our guy at 65 KG.  2036 is when he might have to reverse the reverse because he'll probably be too small for 57 KG at that point.

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7 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Correct.

There are concerns that he will be too small for 74 KG this go and that his more natural size (right now) is more towards 70 KG.

By next Olympics I fully expect him to be our 65 KG rep.  He'll then likely enter tweener zone again, but still be our guy at 65 KG.  2036 is when he might have to reverse the reverse because he'll probably be too small for 57 KG at that point.

I can confirm that by 2031 he will be ~112lbs, so... he has to think of something here.  Can he turn into a little Frank Molinaro?  We'll see.

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