ionel Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 31 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Does MM have a redshirt? I think he actually could use one to work on defense. His offense is elite but he can improve on defense and bottom. Carr is graduating ... he should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkemaz Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 11 minutes ago, ionel said: But again ... had his coaches left the stadium? This is a real question. Do you think yelling gets it across or do you think like one poster said it almost requires. Phony brick so you can get in his ear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebster Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Mesenbrink's dad seems like a pretty involved parent. Does he give Cael a talking to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 7 minutes ago, forkemaz said: This is a real question. Do you think yelling gets it across or do you think like one poster said it almost requires. Phony brick so you can get in his ear? I'd think Cael & Co would, like others, coached these kids to look at the coaching corner every time going back to center for a restart. But yeah a fake brick might be a last resort in the finals if you know your wrestler didn't get the info. That said I hate bricks fake or real. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ivan Stankowski said: All i am saying is the greatest coaching staff ever assembled, could not make such a rookie mistake in a national finals match, I see Bono or others doing that but not the PSU coaching staff, and if this is the case does it hurt recruiting? do you send your kid there when the coaching staff doesn't even know the score?? Something tells me winning another national title, setting the scoring record and having 2 4x champs is going oveshadow this mistake in the recruiting realm. On a related note, even if Messenbrink knew he needed a score in the last 15 to get the win, it does not mean he does. Edited March 24 by Idaho 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Stankowski Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 6 minutes ago, Idaho said: Something tells me winning another national title, setting the scoring record and having 2 4x champs is going oveshadow this mistake in the recruiting realm. On a related note, even if Messenbrink knew he needed a score in the last 15 to get the win, it does not mean he does. It was more like 50 seconds, and you are 100% correct that it does not mean MM would have taken him down, Carr wrestled great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbane Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 minute ago, Ivan Stankowski said: It was more like 50 seconds, and you are 100% correct that it does not mean MM would have taken him down, Carr wrestled great. You're right about the time since he cut Carr, but to be fair he was trying to score up until maybe 15 seconds. I don't think the announcers or anyone else thought he might not know the score until 15s. On the other hand if he had been fully aware he may have been attacking like Vito for 50s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebster Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 minutes ago, Ivan Stankowski said: It was more like 50 seconds, and you are 100% correct that it does not mean MM would have taken him down, Carr wrestled great. If no td, can't imagine a scenario where he doesn't get the 2-point stall call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skandar Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Carl knew what he was(n’t) doing. Couldn’t have another undefeated 4 timer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopdown Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 7 minutes ago, Idaho said: Something tells me winning another national title, setting the scoring record and having 2 4x champs is going oveshadow this mistake in the recruiting realm. On a related note, even if Messenbrink knew he needed a score in the last 15 to get the win, it does not mean he does. I'm certain that this blunder will result in Cael never getting a high level recruit again and having all his wrestlers enter the portal. If Cael was Japanese seppuku would be the only option. Well, on the bright side Messenbrink's situational awareness will improve reducing his dependency on coaches and making him a better wrestler after his transfer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Kong Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 35 minutes ago, jackwebster said: If no td, can't imagine a scenario where he doesn't get the 2-point stall call. I can. Can't remember a ref giving a stall call (no matter how obviously deserved) with less than 20 seconds left to affect the outcome of a big match. Let alone a NCAA Final. Football refs will call a penalty in the analogous situation, baseball umps will call a strike or ball, but our refs are way too timid. Smart wrestlers know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSULou64 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 As some pointed out Carr and MM were on the far side of the mat, the place was insanely loud and when MM looked at the score he was up still because the score operator was slow to get the Carr point up. I'm not saying there isn't some blame on the coaches but there is no way he hears them, even if they are screaming and since he can't see them either there is no way to get his attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebster Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Major Kong said: I can. Can't remember a ref giving a stall call (no matter how obviously deserved) with less than 20 seconds left to affect the outcome of a big match. Let alone a NCAA Final. Football refs will call a penalty in the analogous situation, baseball umps will call a strike or ball, but our refs are way too timid. Smart wrestlers know this. Good point. What about if he started his flurry at :50? ** Edit ** However, if it were just a 1 point stall, then Carr for sure gets hit. Edited March 24 by jackwebster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red viking Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Very obvious he thought it was going into OT. Unlikely alternative is that he just gave up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Kong Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 4 minutes ago, jackwebster said: Good point. What about if he started his flurry at :50? I think if he had kept the pace up with Carr not engaging for the last 50 seconds in full, there was a small chance they call the stall. The last thing Carr wanted was a scramble, so it may have been obvious enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormMacDonald Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 This is why wrestlers should have a speaker in their headgear so coaches can talk directly to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshuck Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshuck Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 “I’ll spot you 1 point.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassling Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Of course not, but his coaches surely knew, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebster Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 4 minutes ago, NormMacDonald said: This is why wrestlers should have a speaker in their headgear so coaches can talk directly to them. I disagree. It should be like tennis: no coaching during the match. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 I'm very happy for Carr, but what a travesty for MM's run to end on a mental lapse like that. The tides were clearly turning in the third period in favor of Mesenbrink and he took his foot off the pedal in the last 25 seconds or so. This match is an example of where Carl's hands-off approach doesn't work. He says he trusts his guys to do their thing without him having to constantly shout instructions from the corner, but the PSU coaches should've been jumping up and down, shouting, signaling, anything to MM that he needed to GO. It's sad, and it reminds me a little of J'Den Cox missing out on his chance for a gold medal in Rio because he didn't know he was losing by criteria. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebster Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 minute ago, CHROMEBIRD said: the PSU coaches should've been jumping up and down, shouting, signaling, anything to MM that he needed to GO. Any idea what were they doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 24 Author Share Posted March 24 9 minutes ago, headshuck said: For a moment there MM forgot what sport he was in and went full Dikembe Mutombo on us 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormMacDonald Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 6 minutes ago, jackwebster said: I disagree. It should be like tennis: no coaching during the match. Ohhhh. Interesting. The opposing coaches have to sit in a sound proof penalty box type thing next to each other during the match. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormMacDonald Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Just now, jackwebster said: Any idea what were they doing? Laundry 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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