Winners Circle Posted May 1 Posted May 1 17 minutes ago, CowboyYe2024 said: I'm a die hard Oklahoma State fan and the one thing I have learned so far is Coleman Scott is going to do these things: 1. Bring In Wrestlers via Portal My Take- He is younger and can use it better than John. I love John and can't thank him enough, but at least Coleman remembers what his Twitter password is. So Scott will target these men for the starting lineup: Andrew Alirez UNCO 141 Kyle Parco ASU 149 Jacori Teemer ASU 157-165 Wyatt (Captain America) Hendrickson Air Force 285 Scott will use his Big 12 roots with these guys. They need Wyatt and the Sun Devils but not so much Alierez. They have a guy Tagen Jamison who was ranked top 8 at one point last year who has already used a redshirt. I think we can land the ASU guys and Wyatt. We need Teemer because he is so much better than Fish who I am not sure if he fits the OKST starting job for what Scott will try to build. We can sell to Parco that he can go up at 157 in replacement of Teague Travis so he can develop. Travis beat Ed Scott but would rather have Parco start. Wyatt is Wyatt and can win matches by fall not 2-1 and depend on riding a dude out for a period. Hopefully these LINEUP Predictions happen. 125 Troy Spratley 133 Cael Hughes 141 Tagen Jamison 149 Jordan (Iceman) Williams 157 Kyle Parco 165 Jacori Teemer 174 Dean Hamiti 184 Dustin Plott 197 Christian Carroll 285 Captain America This is a title team. I hear Carter Young might make the cut back down to 133. Hopefully this is it. You'd be foolish to look at the 0-2 NCAA tournament Jamison had and say, "I'd rather have that guy over a returning national champion." Also, why would you bump Parco up when he's a proven commodity at 149. Same with Teemer. I'd rather see: Spratley Hughes Alirez Parco Teemer Fish Hamiti Plott Carroll Hendrickson That team is good enough for 2nd (maybe even 1st in a perfect world), the team you listed is not. If Teemer is insistent on going 165, then you redshirt Fish and throw Teague back in at 157.
VakAttack Posted May 1 Posted May 1 7 minutes ago, KCMO2 said: So Greeley is 30 minutes from Boulder, Denver, Estes Park, and the Rocky Mountains, and Iowa City is 30 minutes away from.....?......Cedar Rapids?!? I understand that you're a homer, so am I, but dude, seriously?!? I've said this before, but just as an FYI, I've never set foot in the state of Iowa. Not a single toe. I was born in Brooklyn, NY, and lived there for awhile, but have spent most of my life in Florida. I think I just assumed Colorado was mountainous everywhere, but that trip to Greeley.... 1
CowboyYe2024 Posted May 1 Posted May 1 2 minutes ago, Winners Circle said: You'd be foolish to look at the 0-2 NCAA tournament Jamison had and say, "I'd rather have that guy over a returning national champion." Also, why would you bump Parco up when he's a proven commodity at 149. Same with Teemer. I'd rather see: Spratley Hughes Alirez Parco Teemer Fish Hamiti Plott Carroll Hendrickson That team is good enough for 2nd (maybe even 1st in a perfect world), the team you listed is not. If Teemer is insistent on going 165, then you redshirt Fish and throw Teague back in at 157. Alirez is going to get big bucks at Iowa. I don't see a good reason for him to come instead of going to Iowa. Jordans Williams and Parco need to be in the same lineup. Teemer over Fish all day. I would not mind Alirez, but I think Iowa is going to high ball him.
KCMO2 Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Just now, VakAttack said: I've said this before, but just as an FYI, I've never set foot in the state of Iowa. Not a single toe. I was born in Brooklyn, NY, and lived there for awhile, but have spent most of my life in Florida. I think I just assumed Colorado was mountainous everywhere, but that trip to Greeley.... Fair enough, but I've been to both, and Iowa ain't recruiting based on their locale. Greeley isn't the shining star of Colorado either, but there's no comparison between the two.
MPhillips Posted May 1 Posted May 1 3 minutes ago, Winners Circle said: You'd be foolish to Just signed up and he's posting to make up for lost time... 1
Winners Circle Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CowboyYe2024 said: Alirez is going to get big bucks at Iowa. I don't see a good reason for him to come instead of going to Iowa. Jordans Williams and Parco need to be in the same lineup. Teemer over Fish all day. I would not mind Alirez, but I think Iowa is going to high ball him. Mineo said Okie State is matching Iowa's offer. Take that for what it's worth. Jordan Williams would benefit from a year of maturity and having Parco to workout with. He lost a lot of matches he should have won last year (including a loss to Quinn Kinner in round of 16 at NCAAs). Parco is an upgrade over him, period. Teemer and Fish are different weights. Apples to oranges. But like I said, if Teemer insists on going 165, you redshirt Fish. Edited May 1 by Winners Circle
CowboyYe2024 Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Winners Circle said: Mineo said Okie State is matching Iowa's offer. Take that for what it's worth. Jordan Williams would benefit from a year of maturity and having Parco to workout with. He lost a lot of matches he should have won last year (including a loss to Quinn Kinner). Parco is an upgrade over him, period. Teemer and Fish are different weights. Apples to oranges. But like I said, if Teemer insists on going 165, you redshirt Fish. I'd love if Andrew came in. Fish just needs to prove to me he can AA. I want Fish to do good but would rather Teemer up their over him. Jordan needs to get mature and not blow away opportunities. The future is bright for these guys. Jordan is just too good to be on the bench. He made the BIg 12 finals. They just need guys to all be AAs. I hope fish will be. Edited May 1 by CowboyYe2024 mistake
Gus Posted May 1 Posted May 1 3 minutes ago, Winners Circle said: Mineo said Okie State is matching Iowa's offer. Take that for what it's worth. Jordan Williams would benefit from a year of maturity and having Parco to workout with. He lost a lot of matches he should have won last year (including a loss to Quinn Kinner in round of 16 at NCAAs). Parco is an upgrade over him, period. Teemer and Fish are different weights. Apples to oranges. But like I said, if Teemer insists on going 165, you redshirt Fish. Jordan Williams already redshirted in 2022-23
Winners Circle Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) 8 minutes ago, CowboyYe2024 said: I'd love if Andrew. Fish just needs to prove to me he can AA. I want Fish to do good but would rather Teemer up their over him. Jordan needs to get mature and not blow away opportunities. The future is bright for these guys. Jordan is just too good to be on the bench. He made the BIg 12 finals. They just need guys to all be AAs. I hope fish will be. Same reason you want Fish on the bench is the same thing I'm saying about Williams, he needs to prove it to me he can AA. There's no guarantee Teemer has as much success at 165 as he's had at 157, in fact I'd be willing to bet he will almost certainly not be a national finalist at 165. Yes, I agree on Williams maturing and not blowing opportunities. Which is why I said it would benefit him to sit behind Parco a year. Yes Williams made B12 finals this year. But Fish was round of 12 in Tulsa. Ultimately it comes down to this, who do you like better: Parco/Teemer/Fish (two guys who have proven to be consistent AA's at the same weight, and one R12er) Wiliams/Parco/Teemer (one R16er, and two guys who have not wrestled one match at those weights) No brainer in my opinion. Edited May 1 by Winners Circle
Winners Circle Posted May 1 Posted May 1 5 minutes ago, Gus said: Jordan Williams already redshirted in 2022-23 I didn't say redshirt...
Winners Circle Posted May 1 Posted May 1 3 minutes ago, CowboyYe2024 said: Jordan will AA if we just give him the opportunity. Parco has AA'd at 149, 4 times actually.
CowboyYe2024 Posted May 1 Posted May 1 1 minute ago, Winners Circle said: Same reason you want Fish on the bench is the same thing I'm saying about Williams, he needs to prove it to me he can AA. There's no guarantee Teemer has as much success at 165 as he's had at 157, in fact I'd be willing to be he will almost certainly not be a national finalist at 165. Yes, I agree on Williams maturing and not blowing opportunities. Which is why I said it would benefit him to sit behind Parco a year. Yes Williams made B12 finals the year. But Fish was round of 12 in Tulsa. Ultimately it comes down to this, who do you like better: Parco/Teemer/Fish (two guys who have proven to be consistent AA's at the same weight, and one R12er) Wiliams/Parco/Teemer (one R16er, and two guys who have not wrestled one match at those weights) No brainer in my opinion. I just haven't seen enough of Fish to be talking. We just need all AAs and Big Finalists. I just don't want to scare off Williams. I want Parco to start. Just don't no where. Same With Teemer.
VakAttack Posted May 1 Posted May 1 17 minutes ago, KCMO2 said: Fair enough, but I've been to both, and Iowa ain't recruiting based on their locale. Greeley isn't the shining star of Colorado either, but there's no comparison between the two. If you're trying to tell me that Iowa City is not a bustling metropolis designed to appeal to young people...that seems about right. Iowa definitely doesn't recruit based on locale, I would guess it's based on history of success combined with insane atmosphere. If I had been good enough and had the option, I definitely would have wanted to wrestle for Iowa with those crowds...of coruse when I would have gone would have been the Zalesky years, so maybe....
Winners Circle Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CowboyYe2024 said: I just haven't seen enough of Fish to be talking. We just need all AAs and Big Finalists. I just don't want to scare off Williams. I want Parco to start. Just don't no where. Same With Teemer. Fish was R12 in 2023 and R16 in 2024. He's as proven at 165 as Williams is at 149, if not more. If you start Parco for a year, and Williams transfers, then so be it. You lost a guy who has never AA'd, could be worse. If that's the case you hit the portal and find someone better. It's Okie State for gosh sakes, you can't sweat over losing NON-AA's. Teemer just made the finals 157, make him go 157 and try to win the damn thing. Simple. Edited May 1 by Winners Circle
Winners Circle Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Just now, CowboyYe2024 said: Is Sunkist kids shutting down? Already did.
CowboyYe2024 Posted May 1 Posted May 1 2 minutes ago, Winners Circle said: Fish was R12 in 2023 and R16 in 2024. He's as proven at 165 as Williams is at 149, if not more. If you start Parco for a year, and Williams transfers, then so be it. You lost a guy who has never AA'd, could be worse. If that's the case you hit the portal and find someone better. It's Okie State for gosh sakes, you can't sweat over losing NON-AA's. Teemer just made the finals 157, make him go 157 and try to win the damn thing. Simple. I am just super ready for the PSU dynasty to be done and Okie State to be back on top. I just believe in JW. AGAIN I have not seen enough MSU duals to judge Fish. We have dept, but JW has too much potential.
CowboyYe2024 Posted May 1 Posted May 1 3 minutes ago, Winners Circle said: Already did. That's probably why Parco and Teemer left. Hopefully we can sell to Parco CWC can bring him in. 1
Winners Circle Posted May 1 Posted May 1 1 minute ago, CowboyYe2024 said: I am just super ready for the PSU dynasty to be done and Okie State to be back on top. I just believe in JW. AGAIN I have not seen enough MSU duals to judge Fish. We have dept, but JW has too much potential. We're on the same team. I'm a fan as well. Which is why I want to win now. And I don't believe in Williams yet. He lost too many matches off silly mistakes, cardio, etc. for me to think he's the guy for us right now. I don't want potential. I want the proven results. And that's the good thing about the portal. You can get PROVEN guys right now.
CowboyYe2024 Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Just now, Winners Circle said: We're on the same team. I'm a fan as well. Which is why I want to win now. And I don't believe in Williams yet. He lost too many matches off silly mistakes, cardio, etc. for me to think he's the guy for us right now. I don't want potential. I want the proven results. And that's the good thing about the portal. You can get PROVEN guys right now. I mean if Jordan leaves, McComas could be the next guy.
CowboyYe2024 Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Alvarez made JW look good. That's just how it looked like. If Jordan doesn't jackass around he will be up there. But he needs to come back to earth.
flyingcement Posted May 2 Posted May 2 I drove through the state of Colorado from west to east straight through - it was an incredible shift in landscape about halfway through. The comparison to Western Kansas is totally accurate.
Hammerlock3 Posted May 2 Posted May 2 2 hours ago, CowboyYe2024 said: Jordan will AA if we just give him the opportunity. idk he's pretty soft 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
Sam Herring Bishop McCort, Pennsylvania Class of 2026 Committed to Penn State Projected Weight: 141, 149
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