Dogbone Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 16 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Facundo's best friend is looking to be the 184lber next season and he is looking to be the 174lber - if Starocci leaves or doesn't come back. I don't think he leaves. Bearclaw could be a serviceable 165lber at a MAC or EIWA or SOCON school for a season. Hell, he is from Utah. Perhaps Utah Valley for a season? He does have MFS aspirations, so NLWC/Penn State is his best long-term option though. The Bearclaw rumor was he was going to transfer to ASU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 minutes ago, Dogbone said: The Bearclaw rumor was he was going to transfer to ASU. If Bearclaw went 165 then it would push Ruiz to 174 and Valencia to 184. It would balance out the lineup a little more for ASU, but I am not sure it's best. Is McLane back another year as well? I believe he has one more year, but I am not sure he is using it. Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Just now, Dogbone said: The Bearclaw rumor was he was going to transfer to ASU. For 165? What about Ruiz? "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Jim Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 58 minutes ago, nhs67 said: The kid has senior level aspirations. He needs to grow in to 184lbs. Agreed… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbone Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 15 minutes ago, nhs67 said: For 165? What about Ruiz? I am not sure, but Bear Claw did wrestle both 165 and 174 this year and beat Turley at 174 so there could be some flexibility if that comes to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charmon55 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 hour ago, nhs67 said: The kid has senior level aspirations. He needs to grow in to 184lbs. I imagine Thompson eventually grows into 184. He came into this season weighing just as much as Plott. I wonder how close Thompson and Robb are in the room. I know Thompson beat Robb in high school when Robb was much bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Kong Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 19 hours ago, wrestle87 said: Would be cool if he did, NU has a history of some pretty darn good heavyweights...but this is the problem NU will face with Michigan in their (relative) backyard. NU vs Michigan in terms of degree value...effectively equal. Michigan as a whole athletic department seems to be bought in on investing in the transfer market, this is going to be something that propels them long term. They have a department that gets it, their degrees carry weight, but they also seem to have a faculty that is actually supportive of the impact and importance of athletics on campus. Nothing is more valuable than faculty and academic departments that are flexible with class structure and supportive of making academics fit into a lifestyle that propels athlete success. I'd give NU a slight edge in degree value. Not because it's a better school, but because though UM is a great school, like all huge state U's, it's little easier to skate through if you want. Smaller private schools, in my experience, tend to make that a bit more difficult. But this is a nit-pick, and overall, I heartily agree with your take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarSeries Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Cardenas to Michigan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kov88 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Will Michigans recruiting suffer if they just keep getting grad transfers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorwrestler Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Will Michigans recruiting suffer if they just keep getting grad transfers? No, they have money for recruits too Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gromit Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 3 minutes ago, Kov88 said: Will Michigans recruiting suffer if they just keep getting grad transfers? As many have already alluded to, once the extra covid year guys disappear, grad transfers should drop significantly. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Kov88 said: Will Michigans recruiting suffer if they just keep getting grad transfers? I posed this same question earlier in this thread..... and it's a good question not necessarily from an NIL perspective but from a sports psych perspective. 20 minutes ago, poorwrestler said: No, they have money for recruits too Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk To me it's not really about having enough money....is Michigan creating a situation when some recruits may not go there because at anytime they could lose their spot to someone just a little better that's in the portal? Is there more stability for a wrestler to go to a school knowing their starting spot could be more safe? I get that if a guy performs they will be fine....but with the money Michigan has they seem to have the ability to bring in an AA over an R16 or R 12 guy, whereas other schools do not and that guy is pretty safe. It does create an interesting dynamic involving trust when you have money to bring just about anyone in you want. Edited April 5 by Idaho 2 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueWolverine Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 9 minutes ago, Idaho said: To me it's not really about having enough money....is Michigan creating a situation when some recruits may not go there because at anytime they could lose their spot to someone just a little better that's in the portal? Is there more stability for a wrestler to go to a school knowing their starting spot could be more safe? I get that if a guy performs they will be fine....but with the money Michigan has they seem to have the ability to bring in an AA over an R16 or R 12 guy, whereas other schools do not and that guy is pretty safe. It does create an interesting dynamic involving trust when you have money to bring just about anyone in you want. But Michigan isn’t actually doing that - bringing in an AA over a R16/R12 guy. Bormet has said in interviews that they’re using the transfer portal to fill some of the gaps created by extending the scholarships of Amine, Micic and Massa through Olympic redshirt and an extra Covid year. They didn’t have a lot of money to recruit with for two classes. They’re also using these grad transfers to allow their freshmen to redshirt. They’ve got some good freshmen this year, coming in next year and committed for 2025. Bormet is a pretty savvy guy, I think there is strategy behind this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 125: Wertanen (or a transfer) 133: Cannon 141: Ragusin 149: Gilcher 157: Saldate 165: Mantanona 174: Amine 184: Bullock 197: Cardenas 285: Jenkins (could get Slav) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 19 minutes ago, flyingcement said: 125: Wertanen (or a transfer) 133: Cannon 141: Ragusin 149: Gilcher 157: Saldate 165: Mantanona 174: Amine 184: Bullock 197: Cardenas 285: Jenkins (could get Slav) Ragusin looked great this year at 133 is a legit contender at that weight. I wonder if we see Cannon attempt to go 125 to get in the lineup. A lineup of 125-Cannon, 133-Ragusin, 141-Lemely is salty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 hour ago, BlueWolverine said: But Michigan isn’t actually doing that - bringing in an AA over a R16/R12 guy. Bormet has said in interviews that they’re using the transfer portal to fill some of the gaps created by extending the scholarships of Amine, Micic and Massa through Olympic redshirt and an extra Covid year. They didn’t have a lot of money to recruit with for two classes. They’re also using these grad transfers to allow their freshmen to redshirt. They’ve got some good freshmen this year, coming in next year and committed for 2025. Bormet is a pretty savvy guy, I think there is strategy behind this. Agreed. PSU (Dean, Kerk, Mesenbrink) and to a lesser extent Iowa (Caliendo) seems be the only teams I can think of bringing in transfers to bump R12/AA level guys out of the lineup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Looking at ASUs lineup, they should also be knocking on Rylan Rogers door Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Under the radar, but a solid pickup here... "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 minute ago, nhs67 said: Under the radar, but a solid pickup here... Yep he was a freshman NQ for the Bulls. It also makes me reflect on the immense success Lock Haven has had in the portal recently. Noto, Henson, Bassett, and now Stampoulos. In this age of everyone whining about the disadvantages of being a small school, they seem to he doing just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 I think Ethan Oakley would fit in well on the West Virginia lineup 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM1965 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 15 hours ago, Cowboy08 said: I hear that Oklahoma State is going Fishing.... Hendrickson is also in play Fishing for a new HC, I hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunDevil Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 12 hours ago, Idaho said: If Bearclaw went 165 then it would push Ruiz to 174 and Valencia to 184. It would balance out the lineup a little more for ASU, but I am not sure it's best. Is McLane back another year as well? I believe he has one more year, but I am not sure he is using it. If Teemer doesn’t go to 165, where does that leave Larkin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunDevil Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 6 hours ago, flyingcement said: Looking at ASUs lineup, they should also be knocking on Rylan Rogers door They definitely need to fill that 197 hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegularStalling Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Another sleeper in the portal is Charlie Darracott from Stanford. Was ranked in the top 16 at 157 at one point in ‘23 prior to Cardenas pulling the shirt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 55 minutes ago, SunDevil said: If Teemer doesn’t go to 165, where does that leave Larkin? Watching 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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