#10 Oregona State VS #31 North Carolina - November 2nd, 2023

[nhs67]

Greetings All... let's discuss:

#10 Oregon State
WT - Rank Name - Class, 22/23 Record, Result(Notes)
125 - #17 Brandon Kaylor - SR, 22W-9L, 1W-2L @ NCAA
133 - #21 Gabe Wisenhunt - FR, 9W-5L, Redshirt (1-1 in duals)
141 - #16 Cleveland Belton - JR, 18W-10L, 0W-2L @ NCAA
149 - #84 Noah Tolentino - FR, 12W-7L, Redshirt (0-2 in duals)
157 - #44 Isaiah Crosby - SR, 8W-8L, 3W-1L @ P12s
165 - #8 Matthew Olguin - JR, 24W-8L, 1W-2L @ NCAAs
174 - #10 Travis Wittlake - SR, 20W-7L, 1W-2L @ NCAAs (OSU/184)
184 - #2 Trey Munoz - JR, 27W-3L, 3W-1L @ NCAAs (6th, Semi-slide/MedDef)
197 - #119 Brett Mower - JR, 26W-2L, 2023 NJCAA(JuCo) Champion (18W-0L @ 197, 8W-2L @ 184??)
285 - #26 Boone McDermott - SR, 17W-7L, 0W-2L @ NCAAs

#31 North Carolina
WT - Rank Name - Class, 22/23 Record, Result(Notes)
125 - #35 Spencer Moore - SO, 8W-3L, Redshirt (13W-16L as starter in 2021-22)
133 - #76 Jace Palmer - JR, 12W-14L, 0W-2L @ ACCs
141 - #5 Lachlan McNeil - SO, 27W-9L, 5W-2L @ NCAAs (4th)
149 - #40 Jayden Scott - FR, 14W-6L, Redshirt (2W-3L in duals)
157 - #71 Sonny Santiago - SO, 9W-1L, Redshirt (9W-12L as starter in 2021-22 @ 165)
165 - #51 Nick Fea - FR, 4W-5L, Redshirt (2W-3L in duals)
174 - #124 Cade Tenold - FR, 12W-13L, Redshirt (0W-3L in duals)
184 - #11 Gavin Kane - JR, 25W-9L, 4W-3L @ NCAAs (8th)
197 - #32 Max Shaw - JR, 16W-12L, 2W-2L @ NCAAs
285 - #44 Aydin Guttridge - JR, 13W-7L, Nonstarter (2W-2L in duals)

https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/perma/664/north-carolina-vs-oregon-state

This has Oregon State really laying the beat down in what is mostly a non-competitive looking 30-3 dual.  That said, a total of 33 team points are scored, which means only three (3) bonus points.  It also has Belton over McNeil, which is possible - I just don't think it is likely at this stage in their careers.  It has the first five (5) weights being tight decisions in which I think they are all pretty close to being toss-ups, with the exception of 125 and 141 being more favored matchups to one side or the other.  I have OSUw favored at 125, 165, 174, 184, and 285 with UNC favored at 141 and 197.  133, 149, and 157 are toss-ups (to me).  If UNC can get those swing matches and considering that Moore at 125 and Kane at 184 are very real threats to win... they can win this one.  I am going to say Koll has some matchup rub off and they get two of those early toss-ups... with Kaylor squeaking by Moore... which gives them a 3-2 match edge heading in to intermission (9 - 6 in favor of UNC).  I think OSUw gets bonus (Majors) at 165 and 174 to get a controlling 14-9 lead and then Kane pulls the upset on Munoz to make it 14-12.  Shaw gets a very tight decision on JuCo National Champ Mower (he is going to surprise some people).  15-14 in favor of UNC going in to 285... in which Boone pulls out a tight decision... very tight.

Prediction: Oregon State over North Carolina 17-15

[nhs67]

While I think Guttridge will be given a fair shake and a proper shot at being the starter, I wouldn't be surprised to see Lautt getting some time up there.  Shaw has the length to succeed but doesn't have any horse to use at 285... perhaps with an offseason might he turn in to a serviceable HWT for a season.  Lautt on the other hand?  He is stronk.  If Guttridge struggles during the season I wouldn't be surprised to see him head up for a dual or three... or more.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

I like oregano!

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

15 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Greetings All... let's discuss:

#10 Oregon State
WT - Rank Name - Class, 22/23 Record, Result(Notes)
125 - #17 Brandon Kaylor - SR, 22W-9L, 1W-2L @ NCAA
133 - #21 Gabe Wisenhunt - FR, 9W-5L, Redshirt (1-1 in duals)
141 - #16 Cleveland Belton - JR, 18W-10L, 0W-2L @ NCAA
149 - #84 Noah Tolentino - FR, 12W-7L, Redshirt (0-2 in duals)
157 - #44 Isaiah Crosby - SR, 8W-8L, 3W-1L @ P12s
165 - #8 Matthew Olguin - JR, 24W-8L, 1W-2L @ NCAAs
174 - #10 Travis Wittlake - SR, 20W-7L, 1W-2L @ NCAAs (OSU/184)
184 - #2 Trey Munoz - JR, 27W-3L, 3W-1L @ NCAAs (6th, Semi-slide/MedDef)
197 - #119 Brett Mower - JR, 26W-2L, 2023 NJCAA(JuCo) Champion (18W-0L @ 197, 8W-2L @ 184??)
285 - #26 Boone McDermott - SR, 17W-7L, 0W-2L @ NCAAs

#31 North Carolina
WT - Rank Name - Class, 22/23 Record, Result(Notes)
125 - #35 Spencer Moore - SO, 8W-3L, Redshirt (13W-16L as starter in 2021-22)
133 - #76 Jace Palmer - JR, 12W-14L, 0W-2L @ ACCs
141 - #5 Lachlan McNeil - SO, 27W-9L, 5W-2L @ NCAAs (4th)
149 - #40 Jayden Scott - FR, 14W-6L, Redshirt (2W-3L in duals)
157 - #71 Sonny Santiago - SO, 9W-1L, Redshirt (9W-12L as starter in 2021-22 @ 165)
165 - #51 Nick Fea - FR, 4W-5L, Redshirt (2W-3L in duals)
174 - #124 Cade Tenold - FR, 12W-13L, Redshirt (0W-3L in duals)
184 - #11 Gavin Kane - JR, 25W-9L, 4W-3L @ NCAAs (8th)
197 - #32 Max Shaw - JR, 16W-12L, 2W-2L @ NCAAs
285 - #44 Aydin Guttridge - JR, 13W-7L, Nonstarter (2W-2L in duals)

https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/perma/664/north-carolina-vs-oregon-state

This has Oregon State really laying the beat down in what is mostly a non-competitive looking 30-3 dual.  That said, a total of 33 team points are scored, which means only three (3) bonus points.  It also has Belton over McNeil, which is possible - I just don't think it is likely at this stage in their careers.  It has the first five (5) weights being tight decisions in which I think they are all pretty close to being toss-ups, with the exception of 125 and 141 being more favored matchups to one side or the other.  I have OSUw favored at 125, 165, 174, 184, and 285 with UNC favored at 141 and 197.  133, 149, and 157 are toss-ups (to me).  If UNC can get those swing matches and considering that Moore at 125 and Kane at 184 are very real threats to win... they can win this one.  I am going to say Koll has some matchup rub off and they get two of those early toss-ups... with Kaylor squeaking by Moore... which gives them a 3-2 match edge heading in to intermission (9 - 6 in favor of UNC).  I think OSUw gets bonus (Majors) at 165 and 174 to get a controlling 14-9 lead and then Kane pulls the upset on Munoz to make it 14-12.  Shaw gets a very tight decision on JuCo National Champ Mower (he is going to surprise some people).  15-14 in favor of UNC going in to 285... in which Boone pulls out a tight decision... very tight.

Prediction: Oregon State over North Carolina 17-15

Good analysis.  Thanks!

Is Spencer Moore old enough to drive yet?

[JVStateChamp]

I think one of the more off the mat interesting talking points in this dual is that its the first dual at UNC for Rob Koll. I am very curious to see how the fan and support turnout is. I have been to several UNC duals in the past where the crowds were bleak, Koll has a good track record of bringing attention and fanfare to his programs. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, JVStateChamp said:

I think one of the more off the mat interesting talking points in this dual is that its the first dual at UNC for Rob Koll. I am very curious to see how the fan and support turnout is. I have been to several UNC duals in the past where the crowds were bleak, Koll has a good track record of bringing attention and fanfare to his programs. 

As an NC State supporter, I try to fly in for at least one home meet a year.  This year, I am having a tough time choosing between the Cornell and VTech meets.  Hopefully someday soon, I am considering the UNC meet.  I love Koll's plan to make it big enough to host it in the Dean Dome at some point in the near future.

[JVStateChamp]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

As an NC State supporter, I try to fly in for at least one home meet a year.  This year, I am having a tough time choosing between the Cornell and VTech meets.  Hopefully someday soon, I am considering the UNC meet.  I love Koll's plan to make it big enough to host it in the Dean Dome at some point in the near future.

I think we may see a resurgence similar to NC State and how they have turned their dual meets at Reynolds into an event. I am also looking forward to a possible rivalry between UNC and NC State starting. I may be getting way ahead of myself because growth to be competitive with NC State may take some time but exciting things are happening for the state of North Carolina wrestling.

[nhs67]

12 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

As an NC State supporter, I try to fly in for at least one home meet a year.  This year, I am having a tough time choosing between the Cornell and VTech meets.  Hopefully someday soon, I am considering the UNC meet.  I love Koll's plan to make it big enough to host it in the Dean Dome at some point in the near future.

I think you should do Cornell - in my unbiased opinion then you should head to ACCs to see VTech and UNC.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, nhs67 said:

I think you should do Cornell - in my unbiased opinion then you should head to ACCs to see VTech and UNC.

I'm leaning in that direction, but the Tech rivalry and head-to-head in the dual will make for some exciting moments.  I also wonder what type of schedule Vito will wrestle.

[CraigOR]

39 minutes ago, JVStateChamp said:

I think one of the more off the mat interesting talking points in this dual is that its the first dual at UNC for Rob Koll. I am very curious to see how the fan and support turnout is. I have been to several UNC duals in the past where the crowds were bleak, Koll has a good track record of bringing attention and fanfare to his programs. 

Yah, we thought Koll left the PAC to get away from Oregon State...JK.  You can run but can't hide.  Also, I'd be surprised if those are the 10 that Pendleton puts out their for the Beavs.  More to be learned after intrasquad next week. 

[JVStateChamp]

6 minutes ago, CraigOR said:

Yah, we thought Koll left the PAC to get away from Oregon State...JK.  You can run but can't hide.  Also, I'd be surprised if those are the 10 that Pendleton puts out their for the Beavs.  More to be learned after intrasquad next week. 

The first couple of competitions are always a crap shoot on who is in the line up and who is not. Still refreshing to have some college wrestling to talk about. Both teams I believe will put out what they think is their best possible line-up (fingers crossed)

[D3 for LU]

1 hour ago, CraigOR said:

Yah, we thought Koll left the PAC to get away from Oregon State...JK.  You can run but can't hide.  Also, I'd be surprised if those are the 10 that Pendleton puts out their for the Beavs.  More to be learned after intrasquad next week. 

Or you can have fun with a variation of that. (You can use it in the future when the situation is appropriate.)

You can run but you can't ride...

Thakewverymuch... you're all so very kind.

D3

 

[Idaho]

 This is probably the most balanced OSU team top to bottom they have had in a long time. OSU also has some depth (finally) - that being said, some weight classes are up for grabs. We will see what happens this week with the intrasquad.  At the end of the day, I expect an OSU win over Koll and Co. 

[ionel]

1 minute ago, Idaho said:

 This is probably the most balanced wOSU team top to bottom they have had in a long time. wOSU also has some depth (finally) - that being said, some weight classes are up for grabs. We will see what happens this week with the intrasquad.  At the end of the day, I expect an wOSU win over Koll and Co. 

ftfy

[CHROMEBIRD]

Nice. WIll this be on ESPN+?

Edited October 13, 2023 by CHROMEBIRD
forgot the plus

[Idaho]

This seems appropriate here......

 

 

[Corby]

Hunter had a great year at 113. He went 120 for Elite 8 and went 0-7 . His scholarship was offered by Coleman not Rob so opened up his recruitment 

[Idaho]

27 minutes ago, Corby said:

Hunter had a great year at 113. He went 120 for Elite 8 and went 0-7 . His scholarship was offered by Coleman not Rob so opened up his recruitment 

Yes, I am aware. Great young man. Glad to have him in Corvallis. 

[Warm Up Champ]

Looks like this dual is being broadcast on the ACC network if anyone is wanting to watch the action tomorrow.

[MPhillips]

3 hours ago, Warm Up Champ said:

Looks like this dual is being broadcast on the ACC network if anyone is wanting to watch the action tomorrow.

Greensboro @ North Carolina 1 PM ACC Network Extra
Queens @ North Carolina 3 PM ACC Network Extra
Oregon State @ North Carolina 5 PM ACC Network Extra

[CraigOR]

Oregon State off to a good start: 55-0, 58-0 vs Greensboro & Queens respectively.

[Husker_Du]

125 - Brandon Kaylor - over Moore, 3-0 ORST
133 - Gabe Wisenhunt - over Palmer, 6-0 ORST
141 - Lachlan over Cleveland Belton , 6-3 ORST
149 - Sonny over Noah Tolentino - 6-6
157 - Scott over Crosby - 9-6 UNC
165 - Matthew Olguin over Fea, 9-9
174 - Travis Wittlake over Tenold, 12-9 ORST
184 - Trey Munoz over Kane, 15-9 ORST
197 - Shaw over Mower, 15-12 ORST
285 -  Boone McDermott over Guttridge, 18-12 ORST

[ionel]

21 hours ago, MPhillips said:

Oregon State @ North Carolina 5 PM ACC Network Extra

Looks like can get the ACCNX feed thru ESPN+ via your favorite streaming stick etc (Roku in my case).

Oh ... and that's the wOSU match for those directionally or alphabetically challenged. 

[Idaho]

13 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

125 - Brandon Kaylor - over Moore, 3-0 ORST
133 - Gabe Wisenhunt - over Palmer, 6-0 ORST
141 - Lachlan over Cleveland Belton , 6-3 ORST
149 - Sonny over Noah Tolentino - 6-6
157 - Scott over Crosby - 9-6 UNC
165 - Matthew Olguin over Fea, 9-9
174 - Travis Wittlake over Tenold, 12-9 ORST
184 - Trey Munoz over Kane, 15-9 ORST
197 - Shaw over Mower, 15-12 ORST
285 -  Boone McDermott over Guttridge, 18-12 ORST

Slightly different lineup for Oregon State, but I got OSU at 20-13... there will be some bonus in there somewhere. 

[ionel]

Why do they keep yelling twoooo and even the ref signaled 

Edited November 2, 2023 by ionel