Israel Attacked

[Husker_Du]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

There are some serious doubts about the fighting capability of IDF infantry and an inexperienced and untested force might not fare well in a ground invasion on Hamas’ home turf. 

A huge portion of the IDF are kids doing their mandatory service time who want no part in a brutal war where they can actually die. 

i don't know anything about the military capability of countries (and i guess, terrorists) across the globe to speak confidently, but my knee jerk reaction to this is the same as when people said 'Russia's military is archaic and will be exhausted in a few weeks' (or something to that effect)

[uncle bernard]

9 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

i don't know anything about the military capability of countries (and i guess, terrorists) across the globe to speak confidently, but my knee jerk reaction to this is the same as when people said 'Russia's military is archaic and will be exhausted in a few weeks' (or something to that effect)

Russia's been bogged down in a war with a much smaller country for over a year with no end in sight. That's the type of result the IDF is afraid of.

[uncle bernard]

this is unreal lol

 

 

[uncle bernard]

9 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

i don't know anything about the military capability of countries (and i guess, terrorists) across the globe to speak confidently, but my knee jerk reaction to this is the same as when people said 'Russia's military is archaic and will be exhausted in a few weeks' (or something to that effect)

The other thing Israel has to be careful about is losing support in the US. Congressional staffers are writing open letters and resigning in protest of the US position. State Department members are resigning and leaking like crazy that the administration has lost its mind. The tide is turning. And most importantly, we're now seeing multiple polls confirming that the public wants de-escalation. 

If US politicians see the way the wind is blowing and have more courage to oppose Israel's warpath, they might be in trouble. Everything they do is contingent on having the full backing and guarantee of the US. 

[Offthemat]

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[uncle bernard]

8 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Data For Progress

Data for Progress is the think tank for the future of progressivism. Through polling, policy development, and more, our work shows progressive causes can win.

It's not the only poll

Here's the UK: 

The general public supports Israel, but wants a ceasefire. People don't like watching children die on either side.

 

[uncle bernard]

17 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Data For Progress

Data for Progress is the think tank for the future of progressivism. Through polling, policy development, and more, our work shows progressive causes can win.

Data for Progress polls perform really well in the national average. In the last major election, the 2022 midterms, their polls actually ended up overestimating Republicans.

https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2022/12/2/dfp-2022-polling-accuracy-report

"Looking at the polls in the general election cycle, our polling margin bias was 1.9 percentage points toward overestimating Republican vote share."

[uncle bernard]

 

[uncle bernard]

Sounds like Hamas might be starting to release hostages. Two Americans set free.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/20/1207526804/mother-daughter-american-hostages-released-israel-hamas

[uncle bernard]

How can you not be in favor of an international investigation?

[headshuck]

So how much does it cost to shoot a drone down with an M2 cruise missile?

[mspart]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

 

mspart

[uncle bernard]

3 minutes ago, mspart said:

mspart

This video has not stood up to scrutiny. 

watch the vid below for the most recent independent forensic investigation out of the university of london

 

[Offthemat]

We need an investigation into the bombing of this parking lot.  

[ionel]

11 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

This video has not stood up to scrutiny. 

watch the vid below for the most recent independent forensic investigation out of the university of london

 

So how many killed?  Seems they could figure that out.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

12 hours ago, Offthemat said:

Data For Progress

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I'd advise that NOBODY click the link from this unreliable poster in his previous post.

I've disabled the link in the quote above and changed the color to red.

[Offthemat]

8 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

I'd advise that NOBODY click the link from this unreliable poster in his previous post.

I've disabled the link in the quote above and changed the color to red.

Now, why would that be?  It takes you to data for progress.org, the same site-different page- as uncle bernard’s link.  

[uncle bernard]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

Now, why would that be?  It takes you to data for progress.org, the same site-different page- as uncle bernard’s link.  

what is going on lol

[Offthemat]

14 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

what is going on lol

I have no idea. 

[Ban Basketball]

If rust bombing was indeed done by Israel I'm going to demand that everyone on Tattletale "News" and AM radio who have been bullying everyone into silence who questioned the source to collectively apologize to anyone who was willing to think rationally before the facts came out. 

[Ban Basketball]

I now also wish that Commander in Chief Biden hadn't said that "the other side" was responsible for it, in front of K.K. Nuttinbutayahoo. He shouldn't be giving that authoritarian pig one iota validation.

[uncle bernard]

On 10/20/2023 at 2:27 AM, Husker_Du said:

i don't know anything about the military capability of countries (and i guess, terrorists) across the globe to speak confidently, but my knee jerk reaction to this is the same as when people said 'Russia's military is archaic and will be exhausted in a few weeks' (or something to that effect)

i thought this was a decent summation of what i was talking about

[uncle bernard]

Israel bombing Jenin in the west bank. I thought this was about Hamas?

[uncle bernard]

In the background of the hospital bombing storm, Israel bombed a christian church where people were sheltering. Relatives of former Republican lawmaker Justin Amash killed in the strike. 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

14 hours ago, Offthemat said:

Now, why would that be?  It takes you to data for progress.org, the same site-different page- as uncle bernard’s link.  

Simply put, dataforprogress.org is NOT the same site as progress.org.

Completely different sites.

You are misleading people here.