Israel Attacked

[JimmyBT]

29 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

By giving Reps. everything they ask for? Then Reps. still walk away. Is that moral? Is that ethical? Is that honest? Since they are conservative, that means all conservatives are backstabbing, unethical, POSs. Do you think that reflects all conservatives or just the ones they have ALL voted for to represent them? 

Honest would be telling people that nothing is free. Yet they don’t because they know people are stupid enough to believe it.  Take you for example. 

[Bigbrog]

2 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

No, it very much isn't what 'conservatives' do. You're doing it again, using language to make your group whole seem more altruistic than they are. Conservatives may volunteer at places for people but they also rail against funding for food stamps, immigrants, universal pre-K and health care. All things that would keep them from needing to volunteer in the first place. 

Its a natural reflex to think that your group is the best. But they usually aren't in one way or another. That you can't or won't admit to that means the problem will continue. Its not just a river in Egypt. 

Again...you two have the same tiresome rhetoric...show us/tell us what were in the bills you claim R's voted down...I can 100% guarantee it wasn't JUST for food stamps, or JUST for universal pre-K and health care...and in some cases it usually means taking money from some other place that a certain group of politicians think is more important to the American people and thus vote something down they feel people don't want/need.

[mspart]

3 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

By giving Reps. everything they ask for? Then Reps. still walk away. Is that moral? Is that ethical? Is that honest? Since they are conservative, that means all conservatives are backstabbing, unethical, POSs. Do you think that reflects all conservatives or just the ones they have ALL voted for to represent them? 

If you are referring to the border bill from the Senate, R's would have to swallow 1.8 million illegals coming in per year.   But they would no longer be illegal.   It's like saying the crime rate is down when measured by convictions when DAs etc are no longer prosecuting.   Idiotic bill.

mspart

[JimmyBT]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hate-conference-convenes-in-istanbul-features-hamas-pij-leaders-antisemitic-authors/ar-BB1iwyn6?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=2b4e98e168794feebcd60964d1da4e73&ei=83
 

Some real quality individuals 

[Ohio Elite]

 

[mspart]

Lucky for some folks this guy messed up.   Only hurt himself.   Does he still get 72 virgins? 

mspart

[Ohio Elite]

5 minutes ago, mspart said:

Lucky for some folks this guy messed up.   Only hurt himself.   Does he still get 72 virgins? 

mspart

Good question. I bet Uncle Hamas knows the answer

[ionel]

5 hours ago, mspart said:

Lucky for some folks this guy messed up.   Only hurt himself.   Does he still get 72 virgins? 

mspart

Maybe only 36, half the job.  

[mspart]

Why was someone filming that by the way?   is that a joke or was that a real death we witness there?

mspart

[uncle bernard]

 

The narrative is starting to shift amongst US Israel supporters as the results on the ground are increasingly hard to deny.

We are entering the "It was a just war, but they did a really bad job" stage. 

"Citing conversations with “seven current and former members of Israel’s intelligence community,” Abraham reported that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) had changed its doctrine to permit far greater civilian casualties than it would have tolerated in previous wars. IDF leadership was greenlighting strikes on civilian targets like apartment buildings and public infrastructure that they knew would kill scores of innocent Gazans.

“In one case,” Abraham reported, “the Israeli military command knowingly approved the killing of hundreds of Palestinian civilians in an attempt to assassinate a single top Hamas military commander.”"

Important article cited above: https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/

"The bombing of power targets, according to intelligence sources who had first-hand experience with its application in Gaza in the past, is mainly intended to harm Palestinian civil society: to “create a shock” that, among other things, will reverberate powerfully and “lead civilians to put pressure on Hamas,” as one source put it."

“Nothing happens by accident,” said another source. “When a 3-year-old girl is killed in a home in Gaza, it’s because someone in the army decided it wasn’t a big deal for her to be killed — that it was a price worth paying in order to hit [another] target. We are not Hamas. These are not random rockets. Everything is intentional. We know exactly how much collateral damage there is in every home.”

Edited February 20 by uncle bernard

[Offthemat]

3 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

 

The narrative is starting to shift amongst US Israel supporters as the results on the ground are increasingly hard to deny.

We are entering the "It was a just war, but they did a really bad job" stage. 

Israel is losing?

[uncle bernard]

5 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Israel is losing?

They are no closer to eliminating Hamas today than on 10/7 and have alienated the entire region which they were on the path to normalizing relations with, thus making their future safety far less secure. 

So yes, they're losing.

Some of us could see past our noses to realize that a civilian slaughter in Gaza might kill many of the Hamas fighters who attacked on 10/7, but it was never going to make Israel safer or more secure.

If they don't call a ceasefire soon, the death rate will start skyrocketing due to starvation and disease. Those who pointed to 28,000 not being enough to be considered a "genocide" will have to find a new argument...

[ThreePointTakedown]

4 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

They are no closer to eliminating Hamas today than on 10/7 and have alienated the entire region which they were on the path to normalizing relations with, thus making their future safety far less secure. 

So yes, they're losing.

Some of us could see past our noses to realize that a civilian slaughter in Gaza might kill many of the Hamas fighters who attacked on 10/7, but it was never going to make Israel safer or more secure.

If they don't call a ceasefire soon, the death rate will start skyrocketing due to starvation and disease. Those who pointed to 28,000 not being enough to be considered a "genocide" will have to find a new argument...

Might have something to do with their PM facing fraud/bribery charges on the other side of this. Not so keen to find a solution knowing prison may be waiting for him. 

[mspart]

It sounds like the good people of Gaza should round up the Hamas folks and turn them over.   That would end it right now.  

mspart

[mspart]

Or better yet, kill them and bring their bodies out for inspection.   Somehow I think many know where they are and could do this. 

mspart

[uncle bernard]

“why don’t the gazans simply expel the armed and well-trained terror group that controls them?” 

that’s stupid even for this group come on lol

[mspart]

There are way to do it UB.   You just have to exercise that old brain of yours and you could figure it out and pass it along to them. 

Just off the top of my head, give the IDF directions of where each is.   Pretty soon, the well trained terror group is no more. 

mspart

[mspart]

What you say is very interesting.   You have a government that has control because they have the arms and the civilians don't and they can't make a change.   Sounds familiar.   But they can be ratted out.  

mspart

[JimmyBT]

10 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

“why don’t the gazans simply expel the armed and well-trained terror group that controls them?” 

that’s stupid even for this group come on lol

Now is a perfect time to get rid of the terrorist group that’s in charge.  

[JimmyBT]

11 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

“why don’t the gazans simply expel the armed and well-trained terror group that controls them?” 

that’s stupid even for this group come on lol

Tell me Americans need to keep their rights to bear arms without telling me they need to. 

[Husker_Du]

11 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

“why don’t the gazans simply expel the armed and well-trained terror group that controls them?” 

that’s stupid even for this group come on lol

so what you're saying is, palestinians would be better off if israel rooted out all of hamas.

got it. 

[red viking]

17 hours ago, JimmyBT said:

Now is a perfect time to get rid of the terrorist group that’s in charge.  

We're creating more terrorists with every innocent civilian that we butcher. That's what happens in the real world. Real men don't just roll over and let you pee on them. 

Edited February 21 by red viking

[JimmyBT]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

We're creating more terrorists with every innocent civilian that we butcher. That's what happens in the real world. Real men don't just roll over and let you pee on them. 

Those Terrorists are already there.  The only ones being created are the ones being born.  

[red viking]

2 minutes ago, JimmyBT said:

Those Terrorists are already there.  The only ones being created are the ones being born.  

Most men in the middle east are not terrorists, but were doing our best to increase that number. 

[JimmyBT]

8 minutes ago, red viking said:

Most men in the middle east are not terrorists, but were doing our best to increase that number. 

Most all men in the Middle East are anti anything that’s non Muslim.   Most all men in the Middle East support the eradication of Jews and non believers. Most all men in the Middle East would execute gays and trans people.  Most all men in the Middle East don’t believe in women’s rights.  

Edited February 21 by JimmyBT