UNC

[Dogbone]

Esposito is taking the USA Freestyle development job and rumors are Coleman Scott is returning to be head coach in waiting.  

Who does UNC hire?  Assuming Ramos has the inside track, especially this close to the start of the season.  Any other potential names?

[1032004]

Saw someone in Minnow’s thread mention Rob Koll.   I know there was rumors he was going to their RTC after he left Cornell, so seems plausible.

But I would think Ramos would be a good choice.

[Dogbone]

I thought Koll just got a re commitment from Stanford after he flirted with the OU job so that one seems unlikely (but what do I know). 

[goheels1812]

I wouldn’t rule out Kolat. He’s been around UNC’s program on and off for a while now. I absolutely hate to lose Coleman, but wishing him the best. I’m sure his dream job is Okie State and it looks like this is his chance. 

[Voice of the Quakers]

I think all bets are off at Stanford until they get their football situation fixed. Could see another effort to cut some Olympic sports. Koll may be doing what's best for Koll. If so, can't blame him, and can't expect him to rescue Stanford twice.

On a side note, as a swim dad, there is something going on with the women's swim team. Massive roster defections. Some OLY redshirts, maybe NIL money. Could be more going on at the Farm than just wrestling.

Edited August 17, 2023 by Voice of the Quakers

[1032004]

Scott leaving is official

 

 

[1032004]

 

 

 

[VeryOldFormerGrappler]

Wow!

[Ivan Stankowski]

BONO!!!

 

[Antitroll2828]

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

 

 

 

Tony should get the job if they don’t take a step back and keep the train rolling 

[1032004]

9 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Tony should get the job if they don’t take a step back and keep the train rolling 

I thought @goheels1812 was saying he was disappointed in their performance outside of O'Connor?

[Antitroll2828]

4 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I thought @goheels1812 was saying he was disappointed in their performance outside of O'Connor?

McNeil took 4th , Kane lost first round then wrestled back for 8th , they’ve had a finalist and multiple AAs 3 straight seasons , seems pretty solid for an ACC basketball school

[goheels1812]

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

I thought @goheels1812 was saying he was disappointed in their performance outside of O'Connor?

Really just depends on how you want to skin that cat. From an individual success standpoint, Coleman has been awesome. O’Connor is the best thing at UNC since TJ in the 90s. We’ve also had 3 all Americans pretty much every season and McNeil shows a lot of promise. 
 

The negative is from a team perspective, UNC has gotten worse every year. The team has had the same holes in the lineup for years now (125, 165, 197, 285 haven’t been competitive weights in years and recruiting hasn’t addressed it). We’ve been passed comfortably by NC State, VT, and Pitt making us the 4th best squad in a conference with only 6 programs. 
 

I’m just not the guy that’s going to use a post about our coach leaving to poo-poo on the weaknesses he’s had over the years lol. So yeah, hate to lose him and wishing him the best. 

Edited August 17, 2023 by goheels1812

[creek chub]

VT’s Frayer seems like a logical choice. Current associate head coach, liked by everyone and has FS chops/coaching experience to boot for recruits 

[Paul158]

I would grab Cunningham from Penn State. That would my first choice. Then maybe Kolat would be a close second.

[Winners Circle]

Just now, Paul158 said:

I would grab Cunningham from Penn State. That would my first choice. Then maybe Kolat would be a close second.

I doubt Cunningham would leave Penn State for UNC. Even if it means a HC job.

[Paul158]

1 minute ago, MidwestWrest said:

I doubt Cunningham would leave Penn State for UNC. Even if it means a HC job.

I agree . It would just be my first choice. But It isn't realistic. If we were talking basketball with a phenomenal program.Maybe. But it is wrestling.

[bnwtwg]

34 minutes ago, goheels1812 said:

We’ve been passed comfortably by NC State, VT, and Pitt making us the 4th best squad in a conference with only 6 programs. 

You're not talking about some MACtion though, and the "holes" are acceptable because the reality is there are 5 blue bloods (PSU, Iowa, tOSU, OKST, Cornell) and everyone else.

VT was 9th and NCState was 10th last year separated by an ultra slim 49-48 margin. UNC was 12th. Pitt was 22nd. I would describe that as a very damn good performance from the ACC and at a macro level that is a very good thing for wrestling.

[goheels1812]

7 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

You're not talking about some MACtion though, and the "holes" are acceptable because the reality is there are 5 blue bloods (PSU, Iowa, tOSU, OKST, Cornell) and everyone else.

VT was 9th and NCState was 10th last year separated by an ultra slim 49-48 margin. UNC was 12th. Pitt was 22nd. I would describe that as a very damn good performance from the ACC and at a macro level that is a very good thing for wrestling.

Right, and the bolded text is exactly why I think UNC should be more competitive as a team in the ACC. There are no penn states, Iowa, etc. to compete with. There’s not a reason why 4 (arguably 5 if you want to throw in the revolving door at 133) weight classes should be uncompetitive in the ACC. The reason why UNC does well in the metric you provided is because of O’Connor if we really want to get right down to it. His points for being a national champion move UNC from finishing in the 20-30 range to finishing 12th. Unc was 6-9 in duals last year and lost to App State for the first time in program history. They also lost 21-11 to Pitt. I’m not sure how one can argue from a team standpoint everything is in ok shape. UNC *heavily* supports non-revenue sports so I don’t believe it’s a university support issue. 

[Paul158]

2 minutes ago, goheels1812 said:

Right, and the bolded text is exactly why I think UNC should be more competitive as a team in the ACC. There are no penn states, Iowa, etc. to compete with. There’s not a reason why 4 (arguably 5 if you want to throw in the revolving door at 133) weight classes should be uncompetitive in the ACC. The reason why UNC does well in the metric you provided is because of O’Connor if we really want to get right down to it. His points for being a national champion move UNC from finishing in the 20-30 range to finishing 12th. Unc was 6-9 in duals last year and lost to App State for the first time in program history. They also lost 21-11 to Pitt. I’m not sure how one can argue from a team standpoint everything is in ok shape. UNC *heavily* supports non-revenue sports so I don’t believe it’s a university support issue. 

You need coach's who are very proficient with transfer portal and the NIL phenomena. In addition to a dozen other things.

[bnwtwg]

UNC just matriculated a two time champ/4x AA. Something tells me that isn’t going to hurt recruiting. Scott left the cupboard in good shape and Ramos is going to do great things. He is the coaching steal of the decade.

[Paul158]

With Cunningham or Kolat and a top-notch staff, and full support from the A.D. UNC would be the envy of the ACC. Either one of them could bring top recruits from anywhere.

[Idaho]

Coach Hallahan can do it all - he's my first choice. Just needs to change the singlet to blue. 

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[bnwtwg]

Lol Cunningham isn’t giving up training world champions to coach at UNC

Kolat would be fine, probably a notch below where UNC is today to be honest. But Ramos is already there. If they do him dirty then he’s probably gone and that recruiting pipeline is going to dry up real quick. I heard he doesn’t mess with double-crossing liars.

 

[Le duke]

Lol Cunningham isn’t giving up training world champions to coach at UNC
Kolat would be fine, probably a notch below where UNC is today to be honest. But Ramos is already there. If they do him dirty then he’s probably gone and that recruiting pipeline is going to dry up real quick. I heard he doesn’t mess with double-crossing liars.
 

Correct.

If he didn’t take the Michigan job, as rumored, he’s not going to UNC.


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