as of 8/14/2023 - AA Predictions for this coming year

[Le duke]

Who will you predict after Haines goes up to 165 and him and Haines both lose to Facundo in the wrestleoff?

I’m still a Facundo fan but he only sees the lineup if someone else takes a RS or gets injured.


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[nhs67]

1 minute ago, Le duke said:

I’m still a Facundo fan but he only sees the lineup if someone else takes a RS or gets injured.


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They have a shit tonne of Olyshirts available, so it is hard to tell what they will do even if Stalrocci doesn't return.

They could even do Barr at 174 with Facundo and Mesenbrink on Olyshirt, Haines at 165 and a Lee or Bearclaw at 157 and still win NCAAs running away.

[Wrestleknownothing]

43 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Did he mean etch?  Etch his name?

Not sure.

He absolutely meant etch. Gave me a chuckle though. Kind of like when I hear "a tough road to hoe".

[PortaJohn]

1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

They have a shit tonne of Olyshirts available, so it is hard to tell what they will do even if Stalrocci doesn't return.

Starrocci not returning still a thing?  Have heard nothing other than he'll be in the lineup

[jackwebster]

On 8/15/2023 at 7:13 AM, nhs67 said:

Is there a personal reason for this?

Like blood relation of some sorts?

Anybody care to make a list of finalists who moved up and won? I'm sure I'm just fixated on those who haven't and so I am drawing a blank.

[Le duke]

Anybody care to make a list of finalists who moved up and won? I'm sure I'm just fixated on those who haven't and so I am drawing a blank.

Quite a few.

Dake, Taylor, Ruth, Nickal, Yianni…


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[jackwebster]

8 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Quite a few.

Dake, Taylor, Ruth, Nickal, Yianni…


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Duhh. My bad. What about guys that weren't champs at the lower weight?

[Le duke]

Duhh. My bad. What about guys that weren't champs at the lower weight?

Nickal, Taylor…


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[Gus]

16 hours ago, flyingcement said:

Personally I think that last match was as close as Woods would be able to hope for against someone of Alirez caliber.  I think Bartlett is likely to be on a trajectory to place himself above Woods for this coming year

How skewed is this assessment based on freestyle results from Alirez and Barlett? Bartlett may have unlocked something but he was clearly a tier below Woods last year. Alirez and Woods were a toss up with Alirez hitting an amazing leg vine throw being the difference. 

Tier 1: Alirez, Woods

Tier 2: Barlett, Hardy, Cole Matthews

Tier 3: about 20 guys 

[Gus]

6 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Nickal, Taylor…


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8 minutes ago, jackwebster said:

Duhh. My bad. What about guys that weren't champs at the lower weight?

Vito

[Le duke]

Jordan Burroughs took 3rd at 149 before moving up to 157 and winning.

Retherford took 5th at 141 before taking a RS, bumping up to 149 and killing everyone for three years.


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[Lunaticfringe]

Jayson Ness, Damion Hahn moved up mid season

[Gus]

27 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Jordan Burroughs took 3rd at 149 before moving up to 157 and winning.

Retherford took 5th at 141 before taking a RS, bumping up to 149 and killing everyone for three years.


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I'm sure there are a ton of other examples. Here are a few

Jayson Ness started at 125 and won a title at 133

Frank Molinaro started at 141 and won a title at 149

Cassar started at 197 and won a title at HWT

Cory Clark started at 125 and won a title at 133

Max Dean started at 184 and won a title at 197

JP O'Connor started at 149 and won a title at 157

Kyle Snyder started at 197 and won 3 titles at HWT

Nino started at 184 and won a title at 197

Ashnault started at 141 and won a title at 149

Bubba Jenkins started at 149 and won a title at 157

Jake Herbert started at 174 and won 2 titles at 184

Damion Hahn started at 184 and won 2 titles at 197

Edited August 16, 2023 by Gus

[Gus]

1 hour ago, Gus said:

I'm sure there are a ton of other examples. Here are a few

Jayson Ness started at 125 and won a title at 133

Frank Molinaro started at 141 and won a title at 149

Cassar started at 197 and won a title at HWT

Cory Clark started at 125 and won a title at 133

Max Dean started at 184 and won a title at 197

JP O'Connor started at 149 and won a title at 157

Kyle Snyder started at 197 and won 3 titles at HWT

Nino started at 184 and won a title at 197

Ashnault started at 141 and won a title at 149

Bubba Jenkins started at 149 and won a title at 157

Jake Herbert started at 174 and won 2 titles at 184

Damion Hahn started at 184 and won 2 titles at 197

Tony Ramos started at 125 and won a title at 133

Jordan Leen started at 149 and won a title at 157

Suriano started at 125, won a title at 133 then went down and won a title again at 125

Dustin Kilgore started at 184 and won a title at 197

Max Askren did the opposite and started at 197 and dropped to 184 as a senior to win a title

[PortaJohn]

2 hours ago, jackwebster said:

Anybody care to make a list of finalists who moved up and won? I'm sure I'm just fixated on those who haven't and so I am drawing a blank.

2 hours ago, jackwebster said:

Duhh. My bad. What about guys that weren't champs at the lower weight?

This could be a long list if we go back further than recent memory.  To add from what others have already posted.

Ryan Deakin, Anthony Ashnault, Macchiavello 

 

Edited August 16, 2023 by PortaJohn

[Mizzou Fan]

On 8/15/2023 at 6:15 AM, nhs67 said:

I can't help but notice you hate Michigan.

'splain yo'self.

He doesn't like Mizzou too much either!

[BigRedFan]

8 hours ago, jackwebster said:

Duhh. My bad. What about guys that weren't champs at the lower weight?

Vito and Nahshon Garrett.

Edited August 17, 2023 by BigRedFan

[flyingcement]

3 hours ago, Mizzou Fan said:

He doesn't like Mizzou too much either!

To be honest with you my bias is usually in favor of small market amd underdog teams - which pushes against the edge of unrealistic.  But the reason why I have some other big schools doing well is that I liked those guys before they transfered away from Cal Baptist and North Dakota State.  Missouri is traditionally one of the strongest teams (as well as NC State) which are always competitive but their lineup is almost always home grown (few meaningful incoming transfers)

[VeryOldFormerGrappler]

As far as a former natty champ who enjoyed an amazing growth trend throughout his HS & college career was Jon Llewellyn (may he R.I.P.)  He began HS as a 98 pound freshman.  He finished HS as a 167-pounder.  He began college as a 167-pounder (if I'm not mistaken).  And ended his career as the NCAA HWT National Champ, defeating Kurt Angle.

[Paul158]

27 minutes ago, VeryOldFormerGrappler said:

As far as a former natty champ who enjoyed an amazing growth trend throughout his HS & college career was Jon Llewellyn (may he R.I.P.)  He began HS as a 98 pound freshman.  He finished HS as a 167-pounder.  He began college as a 167-pounder (if I'm not mistaken).  And ended his career as the NCAA HWT National Champ, defeating Kurt Angle.

That was an incredible amount of growth. Very nice wrestling  career. I went from 103 iin 9th grade to 167 in college.

[1032004]

22 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

Starrocci not returning still a thing?  Have heard nothing other than he'll be in the lineup

Yes I believe he made another recent social media post debating it.  I assume he’ll be back though

[1032004]

23 hours ago, nhs67 said:

They have a shit tonne of Olyshirts available, so it is hard to tell what they will do even if Stalrocci doesn't return.

They could even do Barr at 174 with Facundo and Mesenbrink on Olyshirt, Haines at 165 and a Lee or Bearclaw at 157 and still win NCAAs running away.

I think Mesenbrink will start.  Cael hopes he doesn’t win to keep his only undefeated 4xer status in tact

[Idaho]

29 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

That was an incredible amount of growth. Very nice wrestling  career. I went from 103 iin 9th grade to 167 in college.

David Taylor like. 

[PortaJohn]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Yes I believe he made another recent social media post debating it.  I assume he’ll be back though

That post is hogwash.  The kid is addicted to attention.  Nothing more

Edited August 17, 2023 by PortaJohn

[creek chub]

On 8/15/2023 at 10:08 PM, Le duke said:

I’ll just do PSU:

125: Howard, 7-8th or R12.
133: Nagao, 3rd
141: Bartlett, 2nd
149: SVN, 3rd
157: Haines, 1st
165: Messenbrink, 3rd
174: Starocci, 1st
184: Truax, 2nd
197: Brooks, 1st
285: Kerkvliet, 2nd


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Man, that’s a scary lineup!

I wanted PSU to add VT back on their schedule. After seeing this, I no longer want that lol