2024 President Candidate Discussion

[DJT]

We’re getting really terrible at staying on topic on these threads… we should probably just have one thread and post everything on it like some sort of stream of consciousness exercise.

[Wrestleknownothing]

42 minutes ago, DJT said:

We’re getting really terrible at staying on topic on these threads… we should probably just have one thread and post everything on it like some sort of stream of consciousness exercise.

That seems off topic. But I can't be sure anymore.

[ionel]

50 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

 I can't be sure anymore.

front Wkn ...  

[Scouts Honor]

 

[jross]

5% chance that the republican nominee wins 2024.  More scams coming. 

[jross]

Who votes for policies over emotion?

 

 

[Offthemat]

Speaking of policies, apparently Desantis has signed on to a plan to greatly expand wind and solar power generation in Florida, sending billions to China, and increasing electric bills three or four times what they are now.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Speaking of policies, apparently Desantis has signed on to a plan to greatly expand wind and solar power generation in Florida, sending billions to China, and increasing electric bills three or four times what they are now.  

How do you get from "expand wind and solar power generation" to "sending billions to China, and increasing electric bills three or four times what they are now"?

[Offthemat]

Because so many of the components of wind and solar are only available in any quantity from China.  And wind and solar are so inefficient that to pay for it all will require that much more money.  They are not my calculations.  

[WrestlingRasta]

2 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

How do you get from "expand wind and solar power generation" to "sending billions to China, and increasing electric bills three or four times what they are now"?

You start by blindly spewing whatever misinformation the media is trying to throw at you.

The Desantis solar power story is from April of 2022 (but I can see why MAGA is bringing it up now).  The bill was passed by both the republican house and senate, but vetoed by Desantis.  The bill was intended to eliminate net metering, which allows solar customers money back from power that comes from their rooftop solar panels.

[Bigbrog]

I've been sorta interested in looking into solar panels for the roof.  But heard it is extremely expensive and may not be as cost effective as one would think...but like I said, I need to look into it more.

[Wrestleknownothing]

7 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Because so many of the components of wind and solar are only available in any quantity from China.  And wind and solar are so inefficient that to pay for it all will require that much more money.  They are not my calculations.  

I think a lot of solar panels are sourced from China (not unlike the technology you used to type your response), but wind infrastructure comes from Denmark, Germany and the US.

As for inefficiency, I am guessing that is very hard to agree on the right measure. What are the calculations you are referencing?

[Offthemat]

Dave Walsh, former president of Mitsubishi Power Systems:

 

https://americasvoice.news/video/66493/?related=playlist

[Ban Basketball]

40 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

I've been sorta interested in looking into solar panels for the roof.  But heard it is extremely expensive and may not be as cost effective as one would think...but like I said, I need to look into it more.

One thing to consider.  Yes, I jokingly have been saying this, but, as it turned out, it ended up kind of being true.

I've wondered since seeing my first solar panel on a rook how they eventually replace shingles.  My joking way of saying it was that years later the people involved in both industries (roofers and solar panel companies) will suddenly realize, "oops, one BIG thing we all kind of overlooked:  how do you replace shingles?!"

I never could find out online, but, as I suspected, I spoke to a guy who installs solar panels and his quick and easy answer for me was, "you can't replace them, once the panels are in."  Apparently, that's why most who install them have a metal roof installed  then install the panels.

HOWEVER, another problem that I always brought up with those, to which no one disagrees:  metal fades, so those metal rooks, many years down the road, are going to look ugly, like old steel and aluminum siding eventually does.

[WrestlingRasta]

7 minutes ago, Ban Basketball said:

One thing to consider.  Yes, I jokingly have been saying this, but, as it turned out, it ended up kind of being true.

I've wondered since seeing my first solar panel on a rook how they eventually replace shingles.  My joking way of saying it was that years later the people involved in both industries (roofers and solar panel companies) will suddenly realize, "oops, one BIG thing we all kind of overlooked:  how do you replace shingles?!"

I never could find out online, but, as I suspected, I spoke to a guy who installs solar panels and his quick and easy answer for me was, "you can't replace them, once the panels are in."  Apparently, that's why most who install them have a metal roof installed  then install the panels.

HOWEVER, another problem that I always brought up with those, to which no one disagrees:  metal fades, so those metal rooks, many years down the road, are going to look ugly, like old steel and aluminum siding eventually does.

Hurricane damage is an issue too. Sister in law has panels get hit and she’s having a problem settling that. Don’t really know the details just know it’s an issue for her. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

17 minutes ago, Ban Basketball said:

One thing to consider.  Yes, I jokingly have been saying this, but, as it turned out, it ended up kind of being true.

I've wondered since seeing my first solar panel on a rook how they eventually replace shingles.  My joking way of saying it was that years later the people involved in both industries (roofers and solar panel companies) will suddenly realize, "oops, one BIG thing we all kind of overlooked:  how do you replace shingles?!"

I never could find out online, but, as I suspected, I spoke to a guy who installs solar panels and his quick and easy answer for me was, "you can't replace them, once the panels are in."  Apparently, that's why most who install them have a metal roof installed  then install the panels.

HOWEVER, another problem that I always brought up with those, to which no one disagrees:  metal fades, so those metal rooks, many years down the road, are going to look ugly, like old steel and aluminum siding eventually does.

I always wondered about shingle replacement, too. My assumption is the sales person for the solar panels is not interested in what happens years down the line and will not offer information if not asked or will deflect if asked.

The other issue I found out about recently is weight. I just finished building a house and was considering solar panels. The architect needed to know early in the process so that he could design the roof to handle the incremental weight. In talking to the builder he confirmed that no one thinks or cares about that in retrofit applications.

Like all things home improvement, I assume you are swimming with the sharks on this stuff.

[Offthemat]

Shingles and solar panels last about the same length of time, so you just replace them both at the same time. 

[jross]

Shingles for President 2024

[Ban Basketball]

30 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Shingles and solar panels last about the same length of time, so you just replace them both at the same time. 

Really!?  I didn't know that solar panels had a "shelf life."  Given their cost, one would have to do some serious math to see if it really pays off in the end.

[Ban Basketball]

12 minutes ago, jross said:

Shingles for President 2024

This is his campaign headquarters!  just down the street from my home.

[D3 for LU]

19 hours ago, jross said:

Shingles for President 2024

 

19 hours ago, Ban Basketball said:

This is his campaign headquarters!  just down the street from my home.

I dunno, but from what I heard...

D3

[Bigbrog]

1 minute ago, D3 for LU said:

 

I dunno, but from what I heard...

D3

I literally thought of this exact commercial when I read the first post about shingles on this thread...LOL

[D3 for LU]

1 minute ago, Bigbrog said:

I literally thought of this exact commercial when I read the first post about shingles on this thread...LOL

Yep... so did I.

D3

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, Bigbrog said:

I literally thought of this exact commercial when I read the first post about shingles on this thread...LOL

 

1 hour ago, D3 for LU said:

Yep... so did I.

D3

[Bigbrog]

please don't tell me @D3 for LU one of your favorite magazines is Good Housekeeping!?!?