Southend Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 46 minutes ago, dragit said: This is well argued but in the end I'm not sure it makes a difference either way. Bias affects votes. A voter's views of sportsmanship/heart will in many cases be the difference on a close call (up or down), regardless of the official criteria. If AJ Ferrari comes back and goes undefeated with high pins and bonus next year, and Keegan O'Toole or David Carr or Shane Griffith is undefeated and close but clearly behind Ferrari in dominance criteria, Ferrari ain't gonna win regardless of whether the intangible criterion is on the list. Popularity contest you say?
Rassling Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 14 hours ago, flyingcement said: lmao? Wow, imagine how everyone would have felt if he simply said "congrats" and left it at that. Lets hope the wrestling fans forget this as quickly as they seem to have forgotten about what Brooks said. 1
JBoiler Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 Sportsmanship may not be a priority for Penn St, but it is for the Hodge Trophy criteria.
Not134 Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 Starocci's response to Parris winning the Hodge is the kind of sportsmanship/character that likely contributed to Starocci not winning the Hodge. Technically, being an arrogant douche doesn't disqualify anyone, but let's be honest... 2 1
Gus Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 31 minutes ago, Not134 said: Starocci's response to Parris winning the Hodge is the kind of sportsmanship/character that likely contributed to Starocci not winning the Hodge. Technically, being an arrogant douche doesn't disqualify anyone, but let's be honest... The Hodge trophy is an award that encapsulates Dan Hodges wrestling prowess and character. It makes sense that the award would have some of the "intangible" traits that Hodge had. If a wrestler wants to win the Hodge trophy, they just need to look up the criteria before the season. 1
Offthemat Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 49 minutes ago, Gus said: The Hodge trophy is an award that encapsulates Dan Hodges wrestling prowess and character. It makes sense that the award would have some of the "intangible" traits that Hodge had. If a wrestler wants to win the Hodge trophy, they just need to look up the criteria before the season. Especially since he was there to create it.
Mike Parrish Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Offthemat said: Especially since he was there to create it. For a minute there, I thought you were talking about George Santos. 1 1
Offthemat Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 19 minutes ago, Mike Parrish said: For a minute there, I thought you were talking about George Santos. Doggone your confusion, I had to look up who that was. 1
nhs67 Posted March 28, 2023 Author Posted March 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Not134 said: Starocci's response to Parris winning the Hodge is the kind of sportsmanship/character that likely contributed to Starocci not winning the Hodge. Technically, being an arrogant douche doesn't disqualify anyone, but let's be honest... I think I found you on twitter. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
manatree Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 18 hours ago, Jason Bryant said: I'm glad they took the completely subjective "Sportsmanship" (or was it heart?) out of it. If you're the best wrestler that year, and you're a jackass, that shouldn't disqualify you from winning something that's based on results that season. News flash, not every Hodge winner from the past is of high moral/ethical fiber or high character people. That's just the nature of people. If Starocci has the stats to validate the #1 next year for this, I'll have no qualms putting him on the #1 line. Sportsmanship is still a criteria for the Hodge Mason Parris wins 2023 Hodge; Starocci, Diakomihalis finish second, third By Mike FinnUpdated March 27, 2023 Quote Criteria for the Hodge includes a wrestler’s record, dominance/bonus-point percentage, quality of competition and sportsmanship. According to Wikipedia...... Quote Since 2022, the Hodge Trophy Voting Criteria has been based on four criteria:[8] Record Dominance/Bonus-Point Percentage Quality of Competition Sportsmanship Formerly, the trophy was awarded based on seven criteria:[9] Record Number of pins Dominance Past credentials Quality of competition Sportsmanship/Citizenship Heart 1
Dark Energy Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 Congrats to Mason Parris!! Well deserved honor! Looked outstanding this year. Fun to watch. Easy to cheer for. Hoping he can continue to get better and bring home some international hardware for the US ! 1
Jason Bryant Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) If I recall correctly, "Heart" used to be one of the criteria, which has seemed to have morphed/blended itself into the sportsmanship part of it. I misspoke there. Edited March 28, 2023 by Jason Bryant Insert catchy tagline here.
Pinnacle Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 21 hours ago, Matthew Burns said: I'm pretty Penn State centric. That said Parris earned the Hodge. Putting the competition on their backs matters. Next year look for 33 Hodge finalists. I wonder who the pigtail candidate will be. Also Penn State centric and agree whole heartedly that Mason Parris deserves this Hodge Trophy. He won it on pretty much every criteria.
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 28, 2023 Posted March 28, 2023 How out of touch with reality must Starocci be to think he was seriously in the running for the Hodge? 2
Nailbender Posted March 29, 2023 Posted March 29, 2023 19 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said: In my best LJB impression... "them" - the opposite of "us"... They must be bad, since we are clearly good... I've done the research; Hunter Hilary's email laptop server is where the answers will be found. Adorable... 1
GreatWhiteNorth Posted March 29, 2023 Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Nailbender said: Adorable... Thank you. I easily spent well over 2 minutes on it, and nobody gave me any credit until you. Appreciate that. 2 1
scourge165 Posted March 29, 2023 Posted March 29, 2023 5 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said: How out of touch with reality must Starocci be to think he was seriously in the running for the Hodge? I don't get why he wouldn't have been in the running, but to think it's funny that Parris won it? He needs to get out of his own way. Confidence is great. The way he's been talking shit is annoying.
scourge165 Posted March 29, 2023 Posted March 29, 2023 On 3/27/2023 at 3:29 PM, Jason Bryant said: I'm glad they took the completely subjective "Sportsmanship" (or was it heart?) out of it. If you're the best wrestler that year, and you're a jackass, that shouldn't disqualify you from winning something that's based on results that season. News flash, not every Hodge winner from the past is of high moral/ethical fiber or high character people. That's just the nature of people. If Starocci has the stats to validate the #1 next year for this, I'll have no qualms putting him on the #1 line. I agree with this...to a point. If...for the sake of argument, he and David Carr each go undefeated next year, have similar records and Starocci acts like a douche, I'm gonna vote for Carr. Starocci didn't do anything to disqualify himself IMO. I'd prefer a guy get on the mat, run off the mat after kicking someone's ass without the contrived Metcalf like fake nonsense, but it's College Wrestling and emotions get involved. As long as it doesn't escalate past the "hold me back" bullshit, fine. But man, he'd do himself a LOT of favors by just shutting up. 2
Le duke Posted March 29, 2023 Posted March 29, 2023 Quite complimentary of Labriola:https://www.instagram.com/reel/CqVoA5ognat/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
scourge165 Posted March 29, 2023 Posted March 29, 2023 21 minutes ago, Le duke said: Quite complimentary of Labriola: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CqVoA5ognat/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Well...lots easier to be a good sport when you get a pin in the finals...little tougher when you lose an award.
Jason Bryant Posted March 29, 2023 Posted March 29, 2023 After years of my HS finishing second at the state tournament (and in some cases, it wasn't close to some of those monster Grundy teams Kevin Dresser had), a friend of mine said, "It's easy to win with class. It takes a while to learn how to lose with class." Not sure how real it is or who came up with it, but that always kinda stuck with me. I want to know how our best act at their worst moments sometimes. 2 Insert catchy tagline here.
Gus Posted March 29, 2023 Posted March 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Jason Bryant said: After years of my HS finishing second at the state tournament (and in some cases, it wasn't close to some of those monster Grundy teams Kevin Dresser had), a friend of mine said, "It's easy to win with class. It takes a while to learn how to lose with class." Not sure how real it is or who came up with it, but that always kinda stuck with me. I want to know how our best act at their worst moments sometimes. Guys should watch David Carr & KOT if they want to learn how to win & lose with class and humility. 5
lu1979 Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 18 hours ago, Gus said: Guys should watch David Carr & KOT if they want to learn how to win & lose with class and humility. Agreed - both of those guys are a credit to our sport
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