Was Haines pinned? Was Andonian pinned?

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

What a crazy match!  Let the screenshots flow!

[Holtfan]

Andonian was pinned, that's for certain.  Waiting for video showing the "Haines was pinned" scenerio

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[BaldAt23]

Haines was pinned 

[DocBB]

Dunno but that was the quickest pin call I've seen for Haines...shocker

Edited March 17, 2023 by DocBB

[PortaJohn]

2 minutes ago, BaldAt23 said:

Haines was pinned 

They already showed a north south replay.  He was never pinned

[BaldAt23]

3 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

They already showed a north south replay.  He was never pinned

Pic?

[PortaJohn]

3 minutes ago, BaldAt23 said:

Pic?

It was on the live telecast.  Video from the same angle of the ref.  Haines bridged and posted his elbow keeping his right shoulder off the mat.  I'm sure it will be easy to find after this weekend but I'll check if I can go on my youtubeTV account and rewind the event.

Edited March 17, 2023 by PortaJohn

[jross]

Lots of touch falls and never touched falls

[jross]

Andonian was pinned for the briefest of time.  I had to rewind and replay several times to catch the millisecond both shoulders were down.

[BaldAt23]

 

 

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, jross said:

Andonian was pinned for the briefest of time.  I had to rewind and replay several times to catch the millisecond both shoulders were down.

 

How many milliseconds in a full second?  

[headshuck]

If a touch fall is the new norm then Murin was pinned several times vs Yanni.

[Paul158]

Isn't one second a brief moment. When watching the first time live I wasn't sure. But if you watch it closely the second time his shoulder is down. But its immaterial He was out of gas and would have been pinned again in the next few seconds. He had been out of gas since the second period. Great match. lots of action.

[SocraTease]

Looks pretty flat to me.  In any case, Haines  would likely have either continued to get a more clear fall; or won by 4 points or more (since he was building ride time):

[Idaho]

Hardell Moore just now at semis show: “Levi Haines is the first wrestler to get pinned and make the semis.” 

[headshuck]

Isn't one second a brief moment. When watching the first time live I wasn't sure. But if you watch it closely the second time his shoulder is down. But its immaterial He was out of gas and would have been pinned again in the next few seconds. He had been out of gas since the second period. Great match. lots of action.

It was a mercy pinning.

[Holtfan]

I'd say the guy in stripes has the best view on whether or not this was a fall.   No one else had a better view, that's for certain.

[headshuck]

But you can’t see his eyes. He is staring directly into Cael’s.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

13 minutes ago, Holtfan said:

I'd say the guy in stripes has the best view on whether or not this was a fall.   No one else had a better view, that's for certain.

Based on this pic it is very likely Haines right shoulder was not on the mat. 

[Jamie_Taco]

33 minutes ago, Idaho said:

Hardell Moore just now at semis show: “Levi Haines is the first wrestler to get pinned and make the semis.” 

I love Hardell lol. He's not wrong.

[headshuck]

Could there be more frames to paint a different picture? Who owns the source video that the frame likely came from?

[Threadkilla]

39 minutes ago, Idaho said:

Hardell Moore just now at semis show: “Levi Haines is the first wrestler to get pinned and make the semis.” 

 

Who? 

[jross]

Both shoulders down for almost exactly 500ms.

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/394122-Any-way-to-show-milliseconds-in-Youtube

[Offthemat]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

How many milliseconds in a full second?  

One thousand one. 

[swoopdown]

That 31 guy seems in position for the only view so that must be Hardell Moore.   Or Hardell Moore has x-ray vision, because I can't see through Andonian at all.   Maybe Hardell's vision is altered by his tears?    yeah, that's the ticket.  Tear altering hindsight through far away solid objects.  That happens a lot.