ionel Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: no less than if 6 - 9 qualify and they all go 0-2. Exactly, # qualifying doesn't necessarily predict higher finish, even if we go with "upside." It may not pan out, but Nebraska has the appearance of a good tournament team. 6 great tournament guys can win an NCAA title, well as long as Penn St ain't entered in the same tournament. Related note, will Assad wrestle Sunday cause without him OSU could match up ... but of course ddm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerniePragle Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 I think some people are missing the "PSU outperforms at NCAAs" factor. There are at least a couple guys that could be moved up a notch or two due to this. I think Jimmy's pretty close except Brooks or Dean could very well win. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, ionel said: Exactly, # qualifying doesn't necessarily predict higher finish, even if we go with "upside." It may not pan out, but Nebraska has the appearance of a good tournament team. 6 great tournament guys can win an NCAA title, well as long as Penn St ain't entered in the same tournament. Related note, will Assad wrestle Sunday cause without him OSU could match up ... but of course ddm. Yeah, but Nebraska does not have 6 great tournament guys. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearTheTurtle Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 125 DNQ 133 1st 141 4th 149 6th 157 3rd 165 7th 174 1st 184 1st 197 1st HWT 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Yeah, but Nebraska does not have 6 great tournament guys. May the wrath of @jajensen09 be quick and painless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gus said: May the wrath of @jajensen09 be quick and painless So disappointing that there was no wrath last time. Hopefully he was saving both barrels for me. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Yeah, but Nebraska does not have 6 great tournament guys. From WS, have NE #2 tourney team and 125 Cronin #6 141 Hardy #3 157 Robb #1 174 Labriola #2 184 Pinto #7 plus he's on fire 197 Allred # 10 he's all red 4 the big red Any time you have a top 10 guy who catches fire in the tourney he could make semi or final. This team has potential and if Penn St doesn't qualify or voluntarily withdraws. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 This thread might be the first one ever in which JC isn't trolling Penn State. Holy shit. 1 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 5 hours ago, flyingcement said: 125: DNQ 133: 1st 141: 3rd 149: 7th 157: 5th 165: R12 174: 1st 184: 1st 197: 3rd 285: 2nd 4 hours ago, ionel said: You've clearly fallen in love with Penn St. ❤ Also, don't forget that tomorrow is Valentines Day. I'm sure Jimmy & Wkn are expecting cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 4 hours ago, 1032004 said: Only 1 finalist? No I don’t think that is possible. It's possible. Not likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, ionel said: From WS, have NE #2 tourney team and 125 Cronin #6 141 Hardy #3 157 Robb #1 174 Labriola #2 184 Pinto #7 plus he's on fire 197 Allred # 10 he's all red 4 the big red Any time you have a top 10 guy who catches fire in the tourney he could make semi or final. This team has potential and if Penn St doesn't qualify or voluntarily withdraws. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Allred and Lenny are both on . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorwrestler Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Allred and Lenny are both on . Pinto has an impressive win over Trey Munoz at CKLV I’ll give him that. Other than that has he beaten a top 15 guy? Losses to Bolen, Malczewski, Cade King, Salazar, Keckeisen, Assad, and Saha AbdulRassaq. He puts up a lot of highlight reel moves, but still has a lot of improvement to make imo. Which is to be expected as a freshman. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, poorwrestler said: Pinto has an impressive win over Trey Munoz at CKLV I’ll give him that. Other than that has he beaten a top 15 guy? Losses to Bolen, Malczewski, Cade King, Salazar, Keckeisen, Assad, and Saha AbdulRassaq. He puts up a lot of highlight reel moves, but still has a lot of improvement to make imo. Which is to be expected as a freshman. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Since first of year Pinto has lost twice by 1 pt to Assad & Salazar. He seems to be improving with every match. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 125-DNP 133-1st 141-4th 149-Rd 12 157-1st 165-Rd 12 (I really have no clue here....this weight is just so deep. I just think it's too easy to see Facundo losing in the quarters and then seeing a stud on the backside). 174-1st 184-1st 197-4th HWT-1st I've been arguing Haines would win it since last year...provided Carr goes '65 and he did, so I'm not gonna jump off that bandwagon now. Of the 5 Champs, I think Brooks, Starroci, RBY, Kerkvliet and Haines are the most likely, in that order to win it. I'm a little surprised people are picking against Brooks. Less so that they're picking against RBY, but I think his loss was a fluke. But...that's why this tournament is so great. It'd hardly be shocking if any of these guys lost...or, if a vet like Dean can find a way to repeat or Bartlett can manage to get to the finals and win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82bordeaux Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 17 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: 184 - Brooks, 2nd. Probably my most controversial pick. I think Hidlay takes him out in the finals. You put your right foot in, you put your right foot out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 9 hours ago, jajensen09 said: It's possible. Not likely Well sure lots of things are “possible.” I think 6 champs is more likely than only 1 in the finals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 15 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Yeah, but Nebraska does not have 6 great tournament guys. Not true. Nebraska has 6 guys that can place very high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 3 hours ago, 1032004 said: Well sure lots of things are “possible.” I think 6 champs is more likely than only 1 in the finals I'd say 2 finalists are a lock. Unless Lewis ends up #4 seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 9 hours ago, ionel said: Since first of year Pinto has lost twice by 1 pt to Assad & Salazar. He seems to be improving with every match. He had that win over Salazar. Some crappy calls/rules in that match. Salazar don't want to see him again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, jajensen09 said: I'd say 2 finalists are a lock. Unless Lewis ends up #4 seed. Yeah I’d probably even go as far as saying PSU having seven champs is more likely than them only having one finalist Edited February 14, 2023 by 1032004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, jajensen09 said: Not true. Nebraska has 6 guys that can place very high There he is. Good morning. You and I have very different definitions of great tournament guys. A great tournament guy to me is someone who has done it before, not just has the potential to do it. If you extend your list to 6 then you are including Silas Allred who is ranked 10. That would mean you think there are at least 100 great tournament guys. I do not think that. I think there are currently 16 great tournament guys and PSU has 4 of them. To be a great tournament guy in my book you need to have made the final. Everything else is a good to middling tournament guy or a guy with the potential to be a great tournament guy. There are a lot of guys with the potential. But as things stand, if Allred is the 10 or higher seed he has about a 1.1% chance of making the final and a 3.3% of All-American. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 33 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: There he is. Good morning. You and I have very different definitions of great tournament guys. A great tournament guy to me is someone who has done it before, not just has the potential to do it. If you extend your list to 6 then you are including Silas Allred who is ranked 10. That would mean you think there are at least 100 great tournament guys. I do not think that. I think there are currently 16 great tournament guys and PSU has 4 of them. To be a great tournament guy in my book you need to have made the final. Everything else is a good to middling tournament guy or a guy with the potential to be a great tournament guy. There are a lot of guys with the potential. But as things stand, if Allred is the 10 or higher seed he has about a 1.1% chance of making the final and a 3.3% of All-American. I county 19 great tournament guys by your criteria above Spencer Lee, Pat Glory, RBY, Daton Fix, Yianni, Sammy Sasso, Austin O'Connor, Keegan O'Toole, David Carr, Quincy Monday, Carter Starocci, Mekhi Lewis, Aaron Brooks, Trent Hidlay, Max Dean, Jacob Warner, Nino, Mason Parris, Cohlton Shultz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, Gus said: I county 19 great tournament guys by your criteria above Spencer Lee, Pat Glory, RBY, Daton Fix, Yianni, Sammy Sasso, Austin O'Connor, Keegan O'Toole, David Carr, Quincy Monday, Carter Starocci, Mekhi Lewis, Aaron Brooks, Trent Hidlay, Max Dean, Jacob Warner, Nino, Mason Parris, Cohlton Shultz I knew I counted poorly. I missed O'Connor, Sasso, and Hidlay. Now only 81 more to go. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I knew I counted poorly. I missed O'Connor, Sasso, and Hidlay. Now only 81 more to go. add Shane Griffith to the list as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 54 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: There he is. Good morning. You and I have very different definitions of great tournament guys. A great tournament guy to me is someone who has done it before, not just has the potential to do it. If you extend your list to 6 then you are including Silas Allred who is ranked 10. That would mean you think there are at least 100 great tournament guys. I do not think that. I think there are currently 16 great tournament guys and PSU has 4 of them. To be a great tournament guy in my book you need to have made the final. Everything else is a good to middling tournament guy or a guy with the potential to be a great tournament guy. There are a lot of guys with the potential. But as things stand, if Allred is the 10 or higher seed he has about a 1.1% chance of making the final and a 3.3% of All-American. That's not even close to a way to be accurate. Every weight class is different. You have to go by weight class not the entire field. I'd say Allred is 50/50 on AAing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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