Latest PSU Allegations

[MPhillips]

1 hour ago, bnwtwg said:

Some people very publicly said "That's a nothingburger"

Two folks for sure.

[JeanGuy]

The only thing I will say about any of this is Cael Sanderson is not a freemason in Pennsylvania. I can't speak to any other jurisdiction, but he isn't in PA 100%.

Jerry Sandusky's only attachment to Penn State was as an employee. He created his charity which had no Penn State affiliation. Nobody was under the care of Penn State. That means whatever you think it means but the Penn State scandal was really a Jerry Sandusky crime and a Second Mile scandal. I know that this won't change anyone's opinion, but I don't hold the US Post Office responsible for David Berkowitz and his crimes.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

3 minutes ago, JeanGuy said:

The only thing I will say about any of this is Cael Sanderson is not a freemason in Pennsylvania. I can't speak to any other jurisdiction, but he isn't in PA 100%.

Jerry Sandusky's only attachment to Penn State was as an employee. He created his charity which had no Penn State affiliation. Nobody was under the care of Penn State. That means whatever you think it means but the Penn State scandal was really a Jerry Sandusky crime and a Second Mile scandal. I know that this won't change anyone's opinion, but I don't hold the US Post Office responsible for David Berkowitz and his crimes.

Was David Berkowitz killing young couples in the post office locker room?

[WrestlingRash]

4 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

And make excuses each time one of these things comes out.  Enough nothingburgers has to equal a "somethingburger" at some point!

interesting. I didn't know anything had "come out" about these allegations. Can you link me to a news article or a police report about any of it? 

[BloodRound]

Siri, please play "Not Like Us" by Kendrick Lamar

[ionel]

1 hour ago, JeanGuy said:

The only thing I will say about any of this is Cael Sanderson is not a freemason in Pennsylvania. I can't speak to any other jurisdiction, but he isn't in PA 100%.

Jerry Sandusky's only attachment to Penn State was as an employee. He created his charity which had no Penn State affiliation. Nobody was under the care of Penn State. That means whatever you think it means but the Penn State scandal was really a Jerry Sandusky crime and a Second Mile scandal. I know that this won't change anyone's opinion, but I don't hold the US Post Office responsible for David Berkowitz and his crimes.

So Jerry was a freelance employee, had no boss or supervisor to report to?  

[WrestlingRash]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

So Jerry was a freelance employee, had no boss or supervisor to report to?  

this is relevant: https://abcnews.com/US/accuser-former-penn-state-football-coach-jerry-sandusky/story?id=136010398

[JeanGuy]

38 minutes ago, ionel said:

So Jerry was a freelance employee, had no boss or supervisor to report to?  

Do you report to your boss after hours or on off days? Just wondering.

I'm not debating his innocence or guilt. I'm just saying you can't be responsible for what employees do in their off time.

Edited September 3 by JeanGuy
added more

[ionel]

34 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said:

this is relevant: https://abcnews.com/US/accuser-former-penn-state-football-coach-jerry-sandusky/story?id=136010398

This says he was an assistant coach so would've been under and reporting to head coach and AD thus university has responsibility.   

[1032004]

2 hours ago, JeanGuy said:

The only thing I will say about any of this is Cael Sanderson is not a freemason in Pennsylvania. I can't speak to any other jurisdiction, but he isn't in PA 100%.

Jerry Sandusky's only attachment to Penn State was as an employee. He created his charity which had no Penn State affiliation. Nobody was under the care of Penn State. That means whatever you think it means but the Penn State scandal was really a Jerry Sandusky crime and a Second Mile scandal. I know that this won't change anyone's opinion, but I don't hold the US Post Office responsible for David Berkowitz and his crimes.

Uh…

• Penn State also provided facilities and services for Second Mile camps and fundraising events. In 2008 and 2009, The Second Mile paid Penn State roughly $119,592 and $124,587, respectively, for food and lodging associated with camps.

[Simpleman424]

8 hours ago, 1032004 said:

IIRC the reports were Starocci was still at NLWC practices for a bit even after the Bartlett stuff came out, but then only later “wasn’t welcome.”

Yea I think there’s been some pretty evident times when leadership failed with Carter…

[MPhillips]

Siri, please play, Allman Brothers - 'Whipping Post.'

[Simpleman424]

52 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Siri, please play, Allman Brothers - 'Whipping Post.'

Sir, this is a Wendy’s 

[MPhillips]

5 minutes ago, Simpleman424 said:

Sir, this is a Wendy’s 

I've had lunch with Dave. He loved the Allman Brothers

[MoveCountermove]

10 hours ago, MPhillips said:

I've had lunch with Dave. He loved the Allman Brothers

Yeah but Wendy couldn’t stand them

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Nak is another Sandusky fanboy.  Can't get grosser.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

16 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

interesting. I didn't know anything had "come out" about these allegations. Can you link me to a news article or a police report about any of it? 

Where is Carter?  What happened with Snyder?  Brooks? Gilman? Brooks?

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/15452131-aaron-brooks-receives-two-year-ban-for-anti-doping-rules-violation

https://www.themat.com/news/2025/may/23/wrestling-athlete-thomas-gilman-accepts-sanction-for-whereabouts-rule-violation

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-snyder-arrested-olympic-wrestler-prostitution-sting-police-ohio/

[PortaJohn]

19 hours ago, JeanGuy said:

Do you report to your boss after hours or on off days? Just wondering.

I'm not debating his innocence or guilt. I'm just saying you can't be responsible for what employees do in their off time.

As someone who can factually speak on behalf of the culture in State College JoePa, the university, administrators are  very complicit in the Sandusky scandal.  I heard of creepy Sandusky  going back to the late 90s.  It's not something anyone who truly cares for the university should make excuses.

As for the wrestling program I havent heard any of these snap chat rumors.  State College is a small town and these type of things spread like wild fire and Palacio is on the level of a Pat Mineo.  Guys like @Simpleman424, @Interviewed_at_Weehawken (per usual) and @Caveira are just haters hoping for this to be true which is sad in its own way.    

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

8 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

As someone who can factually speak on behalf of the culture in State College JoePa, the university, administrators are  very complicit in the Sandusky scandal.  I heard of creepy Sandusky  going back to the late 90s.  It's not something anyone who truly cares for the university should make excuses.

As for the wrestling program I havent heard any of these snap chat rumors.  State College is a small town and these type of things spread like wild fire and Palacio is on the level of a Pat Mineo.  Guys like @Simpleman424, @Interviewed_at_Weehawken (per usual) and @Caveira are just haters hoping for this to be true which is sad in its own way.    

I commend you condemning the University for it's handling of the Sandusky stuff.  

I was talking just as much about the proven drugs and prostitution stuff.  Also Starrocci's mysterious dismissal from the NLWC.  I'm not a Palacio fan and was certainly happy when a kid I worked with in high school smashed him.  

This is all documented stuff.  I haven't posted once about the Palacio stuff.

Meanwhile, we have clowns like Nak standing up for Sandusky.

[Seanyd]

22 hours ago, JeanGuy said:

The only thing I will say about any of this is Cael Sanderson is not a freemason in Pennsylvania. I can't speak to any other jurisdiction, but he isn't in PA 100%.

Jerry Sandusky's only attachment to Penn State was as an employee. He created his charity which had no Penn State affiliation. Nobody was under the care of Penn State. That means whatever you think it means but the Penn State scandal was really a Jerry Sandusky crime and a Second Mile scandal. I know that this won't change anyone's opinion, but I don't hold the US Post Office responsible for David Berkowitz and his crimes.

Utah

[bnwtwg]

43 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

 haters hoping for this to be true which is sad in its own way.    

Any decent human being should absolutely want this to be false. There are real victims if the allegations are true. I hope it is nothing more than a nasty rumor and I would hope everyone in this thread feels the same.

Edited September 4 by bnwtwg
Grammar

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

5 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Any decent human being should absolutely want this to be false. There are real victims if the allegations are true. I hope it is nothing more than a nasty rumor and I would hope everyone in this thread feels the same.

100%

I just think overall, PSU/NLWC is far from as squeaky clean as their supporters proclaim.

Edited September 4 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Hammerlock3]

32 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Any decent human being should absolutely want this to be false. There are real victims if the allegations are true. I hope it is nothing more than a nasty rumor and I would hope everyone in this thread feels the same.

you went after me int his same topic for saying that given the circumstances I was trending towards thinking this was amounting to nothing. Make up your mind. 

[JeanGuy]

1 hour ago, PortaJohn said:

As someone who can factually speak on behalf of the culture in State College JoePa, the university, administrators are  very complicit in the Sandusky scandal.  I heard of creepy Sandusky  going back to the late 90s.  It's not something anyone who truly cares for the university should make excuses.

As for the wrestling program I havent heard any of these snap chat rumors.  State College is a small town and these type of things spread like wild fire and Palacio is on the level of a Pat Mineo.  Guys like @Simpleman424, @Interviewed_at_Weehawken (per usual) and @Caveira are just haters hoping for this to be true which is sad in its own way.    

I didn't really post to relitigate the Sandusky situation. I just wanted to state without any question that Cael Sanderson is not a Pennsylvania freemason. Whether you think that is good or bad is up to you, but there is no masonic affiliation with Penn State Wrestling.

[bnwtwg]

15 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

you went after me int his same topic for saying that given the circumstances I was trending towards thinking this was amounting to nothing. Make up your mind. 

I don't know what to think other than Penn State has a deserved reputation that pushes against giving the benefit of the doubt, and where there is smoke there is typically fire. That doesn't mean I can't hope this isn't true.