Could This Website Be Any Slower?

[wrestlingguy]

How much do we have to pay so it's functional again? 

It has been worse than dial up internet today.

[mspart]

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[Caveira]

It doesn’t seem like the mods care.  Ads and the premium service be damned 

it’s like downloading porn on a 55.6 kbps modem.   One line at a time.   You will get there sometime. 

[ionel]

1 hour ago, wrestlingguy said:

How much do we have to pay so it's functional again? 

It has been worse than dial up internet today.

If pop ups blocked the entire screen then Bob would have enough money to make it faster and functional.  Is this what you want?  

[mspart]

He's got eternity to work on this. 

mspart

[wrestlingguy]

16 hours ago, ionel said:

If pop ups blocked the entire screen then Bob would have enough money to make it faster and functional.  Is this what you want?  

How much $$ do we have to pay to make it faster and get rid of the ads?

[ionel]

11 minutes ago, wrestlingguy said:

How much $$ do we have to pay to make it faster and get rid of the ads?

Evidently no one has that many $$.  

[Bigbrog]

This is terrible 

[Caveira]

3 hours ago, wrestlingguy said:

How much $$ do we have to pay to make it faster and get rid of the ads?

Not sure the mods care boss.  

[Gene Mills Fan]

I think I'm back on a vintage PC from the late 1980s and early 1990s powered by Intel's famous 32-bit 80386 microprocessor

[mspart]

This is the slowest it has been in awhile.   We don't pay, but I wonder if we do does that make a difference.  Maybe, it would be nice to hear from someone that pays and how it benefits them to be on this site.   

As an alternative, there is https://thebrokenear.com/ started by Viratas just before Intermat welcomed us.   It is a bit faster.  

mspart

Edited June 24 by mspart

[wrestlingguy]

11 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Not sure the mods care boss.  

Agreed. This forum is long forgotten.

[Caveira]

2 hours ago, mspart said:

We don't pay

Ads make money for someone.   Thats payment.  Traffic = payment.  Ask wkn why he left 

[mspart]

Getting slower by the second.  

mspart

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Way back when, a decision was made to deliver intermatwrestle.com on a single platform.

Unfortunately, because this - the forum portion - was based on Invision's software and worked well. The dim bulbs at intermat thought it'd be a good idea to squeeze their entire website into a PHP based forum platform.

As the old IT saying goes... "What could possibly go wrong?" (Which indicates that is a bad idea from the start.)

To start with... PHP has a history of being notoriously insecure. Things like unexplained slowness are common results.

Just to set the record straight, I chimed in early to suggest keeping the forum software separate from rest of the web site was the far better choice. But all I heard was crickets. Just like the ones you all hear while you are waiting for the slowness to finally end...

[jross]

Invision forums slow down over time if the database isn't regularly maintained... old logs, activity records, and cached data build up and cause sluggish performance.  Since this is a smaller platform with limited revenue, regular maintenance (pruning, optimization, server tuning) is likely infrequent.  That's the most likely cause here.  

This isn't a prime target for hackers...

[Caveira]

12 minutes ago, jross said:

Invision forums slow down over time if the database isn't regularly maintained... old logs, activity records, and cached data build up and cause sluggish performance.  Since this is a smaller platform with limited revenue, regular maintenance (pruning, optimization, server tuning) is likely infrequent.  That's the most likely cause here.  

This isn't a prime target for hackers...

Prolly true.    But didn’t they say China / the Chinese were DDoS’ing the site the last time this occurred ?

Edited June 25 by Caveira

[jross]

I don't know if "they" said it but do recall members speculating on it.  A DDos attack floods a website with traffic to slow it down or bring it down.  Why would anyone from China purposely DDos this tiny site?  I never followed it too closely so obviously could be wrong but the China DDoS comment sounds like a GWN fallacy.

[fishbane]

Willie has enemies closer to home.  Maybe the court has caught up with him and he is being held in contempt, thus unavailable to fix the forums?  If he is out the Marshalls could be looking for him soon, if Gharavi gets what he is asking for.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.paed.649668/gov.uscourts.paed.649668.14.0.pdf 

[Caveira]

16 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Willie has enemies closer to home.  Maybe the court has caught up with him and he is being held in contempt, thus unavailable to fix the forums?  If he is out the Marshalls could be looking for him soon, if Gharavi gets what he is asking for.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.paed.649668/gov.uscourts.paed.649668.14.0.pdf 

He hasn’t logged in to this site in about a week or so fwiw.  

[fishbane]

6 minutes ago, Caveira said:

He hasn’t logged in to this site in about a week or so fwiw.  

Basch did a live podcast with him discussing 5-for-5 earlier today.   I don't think he could be in contempt yet as that was only filed yesterday. I think it's asking the court to set a hearing where Willie is required to come in and explain why he hasn't complied.  If the court doesn't like his excuse there could be sanctions.  I doubt the Marshalls would get involved, but since Willie hasn't responded to any of the court actions in over 1-2 years he probably won't show up for the show-cause.

[Caveira]

32 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Basch did a live podcast with him discussing 5-for-5 earlier today.   I don't think he could be in contempt yet as that was only filed yesterday. I think it's asking the court to set a hearing where Willie is required to come in and explain why he hasn't complied.  If the court doesn't like his excuse there could be sanctions.  I doubt the Marshalls would get involved, but since Willie hasn't responded to any of the court actions in over 1-2 years he probably won't show up for the show-cause.

Well they are taking $$$ from us in the form of ads and the premium service.  (The non cash grab premium service).    Husker rarely logs in here.   Always been that way.  Bob doll logs in daily and should have seen this thread…. It’s in both boards.    The one on the college board is a little over a week old.  
 

on the $$$ topic.  You do like to get all on your lecture band wagon about clicking on tweets and generating $$$ for whatever you call them.   How is this any different?  

[fishbane]

14 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Well they are taking $$$ from us in the form of ads and the premium service.  (The non cash grab premium service).    Husker rarely logs in here.   Always been that way.  Bob doll logs in daily and should have seen this thread…. It’s in both boards.    The one on the college board is a little over a week old.  
 

on the $$$ topic.  You do like to get all on your lecture band wagon about clicking on tweets and generating $$$ for whatever you call them.   How is this any different?  

I use ad block on here and everywhere.  I would think the premium insider's forum concept would mean that Willie has to be on here more often, but I am not a subscriber to that. 

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, fishbane said:

I use ad block on here and everywhere.  I would think the premium insider's forum concept would mean that Willie has to be on here more often, but I am not a subscriber to that. 

Like I said.  He hasn’t been on in a week.  Probably because it totally isn’t a cash grab.  Lots of us use ad blockers.  But they’re trying to farm $$$ out of us.  And not paying attention to the site or keeping it up.  It shouldn’t matter if you ad block it or not.  
 

For all you know the zillions of ads they try to fire take up essential bandwidth necessary for actual website functionality.   
 

Yes, you still consume valuable server resources even if your patrons use ad blockers. 

When a user visits your site, their browser must first talk to your server to get the web page before the ad blocker can do its job. 

 

Why Servers Still Do Work

• Processing the Initial Request: Your database and application servers still spend CPU and RAM to build the page, look up forum posts, and insert the ad code into the HTML.
• Bandwidth for Text and Code: Your server still delivers the raw HTML code containing the ad placements and tracking scripts to the user's browser.

Edited June 25 by Caveira

[fishbane]

4 hours ago, Caveira said:

Like I said.  He hasn’t been on in a week.  Probably because it totally isn’t a cash grab.  Lots of us use ad blockers.  But they’re trying to farm $$$ out of us.  And not paying attention to the site or keeping it up.  It shouldn’t matter if you ad block it or not.  
 

For all you know the zillions of ads they try to fire take up essential bandwidth necessary for actual website functionality.   
 

 

Yes, you still consume valuable server resources even if your patrons use ad blockers. 

When a user visits your site, their browser must first talk to your server to get the web page before the ad blocker can do its job. 

 

Why Servers Still Do Work

• Processing the Initial Request: Your database and application servers still spend CPU and RAM to build the page, look up forum posts, and insert the ad code into the HTML.
• Bandwidth for Text and Code: Your server still delivers the raw HTML code containing the ad placements and tracking scripts to the user's browser.

Not really sure where you’re going with all the ad block stuff.  

It is clear this site isn’t Willie’s priority.  I could somewhat understand set it and forget it management for a forum where users generate the content, but the recently launched premium insiders forum kind of necessitates his involvement, no?  Isn’t Willie the insider that’s supposed to be posting the inside informatio?  If he logs on and posts once a month it doesn’t really work.

I don’t think Willie owes regular users much whether they use ad block or not, but he needs to provide a functional site.  If I were a paid member I’d expect more and I think Willie owes paid users more.

Given how Willie has handled that lawsuit this website may be running on borrowed time.  I hope Willie and Intermat somehow survive, but it doesn’t look good.  He’s been defaulted and hasn’t responded.