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Maybe he could have been or maybe not…he beat Gino but certainly didn’t dominate him…has he wrestled any of those guys since? In wrestling, you never know who is THE guy until they actually do it…his resume is very thin imo…he is a two time ncaa champ and world gold medalist which was won with a terrific comeback…that is not GOAT material by many years and many tough matches…that is potential yes but the road is littered with such people

I don't understand the rationale for hitting a guy for stalling on top. It is incongruous with the riding time point incentive. We already make it harder to ride with things like the locked hands rule. If you think it's still too easy, ban certain positions. Riding is controlling and isn't that what folkstyle is about?

And it wasn’t like he won the Olympics in par terre either

please explain…he got taken down …he didnt lose by riding time…they were on their feet almost the entire match no?

This is the problem.

In case you didn’t notice long ago…you bore me. Come back when you have some better material…of your own. Have a good night.

"I'm not the one who brought up Askren, I'm just the guy who keeps arguing about him. Don't come at me, I'm helpless in this situation!"

Just feels, eh?

Kinda hard to track down fraud when 1/3 of the payouts don't have T.A.S. numbers. Thats just a little problematic.

The two best to ever do it (Medved & Satiev) were tall and had length

500M in untracked payments. Unreal.

I wouldn't think you could do that in the tie breaker. The standard for stalling is different. I mean, taking the 4 seconds or 5 seconds off when you're in on a leg or whatever, fine. That could make a substantial difference. But just like riding parallel on top or not working for the turn... the ride out rules are not the same as the first 7 minutes(though they keep changing them, someone could fact check me on that). I don't like this at all. I couldn't breath as well with one in. At least not as well. I just...didn't like them. So...you're forcing them to take an to wear protective equipment for their mouth...which is new, but taking away the head gear? Which... fine, it's stupid, I was stupid and the 7 minutes is a TINY fraction of how much you actually Wrestle, but...it's a silly contradiction if implemented. Can anyone recall a match in which this made any type of difference? Seems to me they usually just stop them both. If someone is clearly initiating, fine, but otherwise...good change but kinda pointless. Again, is there are lot of wrongly penalized "flagrant misconduct" penalties? I'm asking, is that an issue? And the penalizing Wrestlers for unsportsmanlike conduct for throwing, tossing, spiking or sliding any piece of equipment? "Sliding/Tossing?" That's...moronic. So if I toss my headgear to my coach(I'm still wrestling and make Bo Nickal's cut look like child's play in this scenario) I am penalized and...then I get 48 hours to review the stupid penalty? It seems like the rules in place are sufficient. If you throw a fit, you'll cost your team AS IS. This is just looking to solve an issue that doesn't SEEM to exist in my opinion. I'll admit though... don't watch that many duels. Maybe 2-3 a week and I go to maybe 10 a year. So this could be a larger issue I suppose?

Oof. I am not sure I have that energy. But the real problem is I think it would be more than just height. The ratio of torso to height (or legs to height, either way) probably matters. I imagine the difference between wingspan and height is also indicative to a predisposition to be a better wrestler. And where are you gonna find those stats?

How about TJ Williams and John Fisher....Yanni has some "range as well.

I wonder if its legal to illegally take federal funds? Theft of federal funds times 100,000. Thats a lot of theft wouldn't you say.

I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I don’t really base my opinions on what others tell me to.

Basketball is much more legitimate of a sport than MMA/UFC, but I completely agree on the Connor/Khabib example. Or the Conor fight with Mayweather (one of the greatest successes in his career). Aksren was mediocre at the actual sport of MMA, but he had great success promoting himself. The moment of him getting knocked out by that knee will always be part of the history of the sport. It's the UFC equivalent of the Nike jumpman or Jerry west logo. That is something that most heels can only dream of.

So I don’t see the appeal. Like a reduced IQ Carter.

at the warning

I can agree with that. But would you do it on the first stall (warning) or on the second stall (1pt)?

I am at a loss. I need to re-examine my entire belief system, everything I've done in my life and plan on doing in my life... I just watched that and thought..."that's a good take...by Brandon Schaub," the man who gave us the ICONIC Gringo Papi?!? Rogan must have said this a day or two earlier... that's the only plausible explanation.

Not, I'm not "admitting" anything. I'm repeating what Herb Dean said. Even the person who brought up that as his top achievement put "Beat Lawler" in quotes. For arguments sake what happens if it's not stopped? I don't know dude, they keep fighting. I'm not sure what you're looking for here. I'm simply saying if you're looking at Askren's career, pointing to the win over Lawler, a win in which the Ref apologized, it's not the strongest argument. I don't have a personal opinion on when or if you stop that. Herb Dean said he didn't see the thumbs up, Lawler said he yelled he was good. It's all TOTALLY moot. Again, to recap, I mentioned the TYPES of Wrestlers I thought would be good fits in MMA and those who wouldn't, someone ELSE brought up Askren. I didn't agree. That's it. I'm DEFINITELY not interested in arguing about what would have hypothetically happened AFTER the Lawler fight, I'm not "admitting" anything as I'm not accused of anything(so far as I'm aware). I think Johnny Hendricks style made for a better fighter than Ben Askren. I think a guy like Parker Keckeisen would make for a better fighter than Bo Nickal. If you disagree...so be it, but this wasn't about Ben Askren and again, I didn't make it about him. I specifically mentioned David Taylor...and Askren is the guy people get worked up about? How about this...I don't think Cael would have been particularly great in MMA either. I DO think the Brands brothers would have. Now...I'm out. PSU and Iowa fans argue among yourselves.