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I’ve had this argument in here on numerous occasions. Primary voting Republican doesn't mean that’s your party.

Point is they occur under every admin. The goal should be to minimize as close to zero if not zero…. but mistakes will happen. No need for the press and politicians trying to scare the population as if this is a new phenomenon. It isn’t.

Can we all just agree that 16% is really really close? Next topic.

The Presidential Medal of Freedom outranks your good conduct medal.

First of all, George W Bush was president during 2008 not Obama, and detaining and deporting US citizens is awful no matter what side of the aisle

She probably won the illegal vote, though.

Unfortunately that would mean he’s on my team, I’m independent.

We do know one thing as a fact. He was better than you.

Were people afraid to go to work under Obama or only now since the press and politicians like to inflame the public? Confirmed Cases under Obama Davino Watson Watson, who was a U.S. citizen, was detained by ICE as though he were a deportable immigrant for nearly 3½ years. NPR He repeatedly told authorities he was a citizen and submitted evidence, but officials acted on bad or incomplete records. NPR He was eventually released, and a court awarded him damages, though later an appeals court overturned the money award due to statute of limitations rules. NPR Mark Daniel Lyttle Lyttle, a U.S. citizen born in North Carolina, was wrongfully deported to Mexico in 2008 following errors (including false recording of his citizenship status and birthplace). Wikipedia+1 He later managed to return. Wikipedia Antonio Montejano In 2011, under the Secure Communities program, Antonio (a U.S.-born citizen) was held in detention for four days because of an immigration hold triggered by erroneous database information. Even after a judge ordered his release, authorities detained him further due to the ICE detainer. ACLU of Southern California+1

Well, that's about half the male population. Could he still be a "hero" if he wasn't married or didn't have kids? What if he wasn't "spiritual?" What a joke. Grasping 4 straws. He was no better than most people.

I didn't start this thread, but you clearly didn't watch the videos. You also haven't actually read what I said, and I never said Chimaev would beat Bo in wrestling. I just said that Chimaev is better than we thought, but you were too blinded by your lust for PSU that you thought it was a slight. What I do know is your hero is an attention seeking jerk, who can't put his money where his mouth at in either MMA or wrestling at this point, and would be brutally KO'd by Chimaev and teched by Zahid or Hidlay. PSU fans thinking about Bo in MMA.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/ice-raid-elgin-illinois/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/george-retes-ice-detained-us-citizen/684152/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/woman-wrongfully-detained-in-immigration-raid-describes-what-she-endured

Stop being dumb. I watched GSP out wrestle Matt Hughes, Koshcheck, and Hendrix in an octagon. I would never be dumb enough to pick him in a wrestling match over any of them. Keep on keeping dumb when it comes to your PSU hate. Fits you well

Proof

He was a hero for being an amazing father, husband, and spiritual man who was unafraid to express his opinions in a way that offers civil debate with ANYONE. Not to mention why in the hell would it matter if other people view him as a great man and "hero" (not sure where you are getting that from)? You feel THAT gives you the okay to say vile untrue things about him in a way that indicates he deserved what he got?? Seriously dude...just stop...you are proving over and over you are a despicable human being regardless of which political party you support.

So, you didn't see either of the things I asked about? And btw, one IS a current world champ in the sport both make their living in. Don't respond until you've watched both things 5x.

Well, when you look at the fact that ICE is continually detaining US citizens this seems like a logical response

Seriously? Only one of them has a win over a current world champ. The other wrestled in a scrub league. You wanna be dumb than do you

Dude, you see Chimaev wrestled Saduleev? Dude, did you see Nickal wrestle Cardenas?

Dude, you entertained the thought of Chimaev beating Nickal in a wrestling match. That's either trolling, stupidity, or flat out being disingenuous.

Or Cornell recruit Adrian DeJesus.

What is he going to do against the 6x BJJ world champ he is facing next month? He had better start looking into other means of employment if he's afraid of anyone who is halfway decent off their backs in the UFC. Top is an extremely dominant position.

I don’t know if anyone saw this but you can’t question trumps sense of humor can you ?

I have said how much I like Nolf in recent days. I root for Nickal in MMA and if he wears a Team USA singlet. It just so happens Nickal is one of the more unlikable non-criminals in wrestling. He also isn't as good at MMA as advertised and is apparently getting worse at wrestling. But ... you are going to have the PSU faithful act as rumpswabs for anyone who wears the Nit singlets. And that is what I will "hate on."