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I truly respect your views and think they are well put and wouldn't bother disputing that the president in question smashed for the worse many norms of comportment. But lots of people think that presidents ruined their families' lives with what they think were indefensible decisions about all kinds of things, including wars and draconian crime bills. Where is the dividing line when a president is treated as per se not deserving of the respect we give other occupants of the office, when they are at a public event and behaving appropriately. All sides are in a bad spiral of per se judgments about politicians on the other side of our fence that isn't helping people on either side of the fence.

One of my favorite lines was when he said he was the best baseball player in New York when he was in high school. I couldnt believe the interviewer didn’t break down laughing on the spot. The strange thing about it is that with all the stuff he brags about that is ridiculous, by comparison he doesn't do that much about golf, which others, including real golfers, have said he was very good at when he was younger.

It should be noted that he was going to go in 2020 before covid canceled the tournament last minute and without any indictment looming. Nobody really knows why anyone does anything. Are the choices of politicians influenced by political considerations? Yes, that we do know, but we don't withhold respect for the office (or in the case of POTUS the former office) based on that inference, or not being able to ascertain the full calculus of motives. And I haven't heard anyone report that he comported himself inappropriately or with the unfortunate frequent bluster that bothers so many and is the cause of many of his problems; in fact, it sounds like he said nothing over any sort of microphone, politlely acknowledged an intro over the PA, interacted with people who interacted with him, and watched ten terrific wrestling matches. Under these circumstances, I don't find disappointment with any winners shaking hands with the former president on their special night.

Former president showed respect for the sport by attending and viewing all the matches, they in turn showed respect for the office if not for him.

Good argument but I gotta still say Penn State. The only thing their lightweights don't compare well to is their heavy weights. With all the kidding around about their issues at 125, Megaludis was 2-2-3-1. RBY did great, and furthermore he developed quite a bit at PSU. Same thing with Nick Lee, like RBY he had two titles with substantial growth (HAT TIP TO WKN). And I'd say Zain is pretty comparable to Yianni. He won three championships and two Hodges and beat Stieber the year he didn't win NCAAs. He totally dominated his three wins, Yianni needed a cringeworthy call to win his second. And they've been about equal internationally. Nolf is technically a lightweight. I'd say that if not better than Cornell at the light weights, they're awfully close, and then their upper weight dominance is otherworldly.

Interesting topic. I think the answer is 1. Penn State; 2. Cornell. Then a gap, possibly Missouri third. I'm skeptical about the premise that the only thing Cornell has to offer financially is a scholarship. Ivy League schools can offer massive financial aid and wrestling is obviously very important to the school, so I wouldn't be surprised if lots of their top wrestlers end up paying comparable amounts out of pocket (none or not much) as they would at Michigan, Northwestern, or Stanford.

I don't see 4 seconds at 45 degrees or less. The rule is 45, correct? It seems to me like in many matches they don't call it the way it's written, in other words they often do swipes even when the angle has gotten above 45. This was a good example of that to me (with respect to the replay decision). I am a fan of Gibbons but I thought he was wrong here. I thought that Rivera did a good job on this and shouldn't have been overruled. I think that 45 may not be a good rule, but it's the rule, and I think it's not faithfully enforced.

The decline of western civilization part 853.

Thank you thank you thank you for this. After five minutes I was alternating between laughing at how ridiculous it was, and not being able to take it anymore. It was so bad on so many levels that it's not worth unpacking them all. Suffice it to say that the factual errors you mention were just the tip of the iceberg - the real outrage was the absurd judgments and comparisons he made and the oversimplifications of an extraordinarily complex situation involving a human being who put his heart into the choices he made which didn't work out well this week. One hopes that he has better luck going forward, on the mat if the knees haven't made that impossible, and off the mat where his substantial drive and intelligence will present many opportunities.

I just wanted to slip that in there and see if I could get no rebuttals and then claim that as precedent. Can't blame a guy for trying. p.s. you know he didnt redshirt though, right?

Brooks's approach doesn't necessarily seem to be a primarily PSU thing. The guy he's publicly most linked to on this issue, who he hugged right off the mat before his family, who speaks the most like him in interviews, is the guy who was wearing the 100% Jesus bandana with Mr. Brooks's hand on his shoulder during Aaron's match and who half an hour before was wearing a red and gold, not a blue, singlet.

Among the many remarkable aspects of their performance was that they took the third place team trophy. And i really think there's an even chance they could win a championship before Grey retires. They've been close before and they keep bringing in strong recruiting classes. With a little of the luck mentioned elsewhere on this thread (such as all the airports in Pennsylvania shutting down the third week of March) maybe they can get over the top just once.

My take from the interview was that he's leaning toward not wrestling in college next year but was too exhausted to be sure and needs to think about it. What a treasure he is regardless of what he chooses. Not trite to say he's a credit to the sport.

Brooks is an absolute gem on the mat. He wrestles hard the whole match, terrific traditional technique, great sportsmanship. He is probably the guy who you would use to teach textbook wrestling. If anything he's underrated if that's possible for an already 3x champ. His winning the rivalry in the previous with an Olympic bronze medalist 4 years older than him never got enough celebration in my book. I have respect and admiration for his faith, and don't feel it's my place to object to him answering every question with an answer about that, but can't see why he had to throw in a harsh criticism of another religion. Regardless of whether his position is consistent with the tenets of his faith or not, that part of the answer was way more than was necessary to respond to a bland question about his and Carr's shared faith, and whether meant to be harsh or not can be taken as a gratuitous slap at millions who practice a different faith. It just wasn't appropriate from what is essentially the NCAA's podium.

Wouldn't surprise me. He didn't look right Friday morning and his mental mistake Friday night kind of had a whiff of, I don't know the right word, maybe panic or confusion, which having blown out his knee again could explain.

Landmark tournament for Cornell with what they've been through. Head coach who built the program leaves. Extreme Covid restrictions Big Ten schools don't have to deal with. Former finalist leaves and wins at new school. Former finalist's brother amd coach who has two first place trophies of his own departs. Greatest college wrestler ever and former coach departs. And they get a four timer and Vito treats a world silver medalist and the guy with the longest winning streak in college like hapless workout partners. An absolutely extraordinary night for them.

I must be getting soft but I liked the interviews this year. Vito was delightful. Glory was pure joyousness. Starocci was his candid self. KOT was pure grace. Nino couldn't be more unpretentious.

Just mad props to the 165 field for the last two years of superstar wars. Top notch guys going at it in the strongest weight class, no ducking. Wick gave Griffith four shots last year; Carr gave O'Toole three this year. High scoring matches, impeccable sportsmanship. And for KOT to come through with convincing wins over national champs two years in a row positions him as a potential all time great.

With my untrained eye, I thought it was up and down during the year. Definitely a few times it looked like he was materially favoring a leg. Other days he looked fine. Yesterday morning he didn't look good. One of the many crazy things about it is that despite that, he didn't look any worse last night, and was going to be ok, he had a three point lead and was in his best position, top, then couldn't ride, then it was still no real problem, he had elbow control in a position he's strong in, then inexplicably from his knees decides to lock hands with his head stuck pointing down and trapped, and as a result largely pins himself.

At Midlands when he lost to Rivera, he was visibly shaken and then when they were getting ready to start the awards after the 133 match he wasn't there and people thought he was going to blow if off, but then he came sprinting like Usain Bolt out of the opposite tunnel and ran to the podium to make sure he got there (barely, but there) on time. I think he'll be there tonight and I think it'll bring down the house. (And I hope that's both my head and heart talking.)

For a few reasons I just watched the ESPNU broadcast and I should say after criticizing them last night they did a nice job today. Obviously it's very different than the +, particularly with the commercials, but within their limitations they captured the grit of the competitors and the engagement of the crowd, told a great story, caught as much of the important action as they could, and the interviews were poignant (oh man, did I just compliment Quint?).

Penn State. Friday morning. Friday night. Every year.

Not great work by ESPN tonight. In addition to the unforgiveable cardinal sin of missing a late takedown at 133 there have been a variety of other mistakes. They didnt realize Lee took top in the second period. They had little film of Lee after the match. Burroughs I believe said it was 90 degrees for the NF. And a couple of others I can't remember.

That's the right title, isn't it? Kudos to this young man. Worthy of his own thread.

Thirteen years explained in one sentence.