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Lee is a force of nature. I don't expect to see anyone replicate the way he tore through NCAAs (including destructions of a past and future NCAA champ) a year after major knee surgery and nine months after graduating from high school.

Yeah but you got to LYAO so it worked out for everyone, particularly because I always appreciate any excuse to think about Clark's win -- the dictionary definition of grit.

Bumping this topic with the tape from yesterday, the last session of this kind ever with the great Spencer Lee. Great stuff from beginning (laughing at himself for being the only dork to wear his letterman's jacket) to end (amazing anecdote at about the 6:40 mark about Terry giving a private lesson to a graduating senior whose career was already over the week after Big Tens, followed by explaining the familiarity gained with the medical staff and coaches because of the amount of time together), with some discussion about his relationship with Yianni thrown in too. The most newsy thing in here to me is that the way he talks about his post-college life seems to imply that he won't necessarily be wrestling; I got this impression a tiny bit from a prior press conference and a little more so from this one, watch for yourself and see what you think (5:10 mark).

This is the gist of what I was saying -- particularly given that he didn't place the year before, he's been a bit of a disappointment. Changing that with an undefeated national championship season and progressing from DNP-6-1 would speak well for Iowa.

Funny but no. This would be a nice feather in the Iowa cap. Woods had only one sixth place finish at Stanford in two tries at NCAAs. For him to win would be a great advertisement for development at Iowa.

I think you have to say that Warner even has a shot, since he did last year. Granted that would be the one and only data point that would support the theory.

I think Woods's results this week are very important for the Iowa program. They haven't had multiple champions since before wrestling was invented in 2011. They've only had one champion not named Spencer Lee since 2014,with zero other than Lee out of all the strong recruits they had in the '22 and '23 graduating groups. And there is a perception of not developing elite talent/underperforming at NCAAs. Assuming Spencer finishes his fourth, finally having somebody else with him could demonstrate some Spencer coattails which have been missing to date. Every year he's won he looks like the presidential candidate with the big win whose party doesn't gain any seats in Congress.

Scary thing is that if it was just Penn State vs everyone else, assuming PSU could recruit a skinny and super fast track or cross country guy who weighed less than 125 and could run away from Lee for 7 minutes (or could interrupt Suriano's drilling downstairs) and not give up the obligatory fall points, Penn State might be even money.

He had leggings and a robe! Old school!

Nice - one word says it all. There would be other ways to remedy the mentioned problems (warning, then penalty, then ejection?). Taking coaches off the corner seems far too radical. And it would be bad for the spectators - one cool thing unique to wrestling is looking at the guys in the corners with Olympic medals and national championships. What's a better visual for the cameras to keep going back to -- the 159-0, gold medal guy with the sculpted physique, or Bill Belichik with his division 3 lacrosse varsity letter and his hoodie?

Well put - I really thought it was Kokesh's year. He was noticeably crisper, which was saying something because he was already terrific. And he rolled through Big Tens. I always wonder when someone loses Friday morning if it could be weight related. Regardless, after Wilps got past, I was pulling for him, that would have been quite an achievement to win that bracket from the 8th seed. I remember Kokesh had planned to leave wrestling altogether and farm; glad to see him doing so obviously well coaching.

You should take anything I say with a grain of salt. I've been accused once or twice of being a tad over-discerning about broadcasters. You don't want anything to do with my John Smoltz rages.

The Ice Cream Moment was worth several thousand "work hard and get better" and "glory to God" cookie cutter interviews. And in addition to that and the mullet and excuses are for wusses, there are usually some memorable ones every year. I think I remember Zain saying something like he'd dreamed his win over Stieber the night before Whoa, you're saying hard core wrestling fans don't like Quint?

That was a memorable group. Storley Evans Brown Kokesh. I don't think Howe was at 174 when he was in the Big Ten. The other 4 had quite a round robin going. Kokesh and Storley in particular, I think they went back to South Dakota together (?) and then had a last second insane takedown on the edge in the wrestlebacks; the beauty of it is I can't remember which one chased the other down, literally, the one who got taken down was literally running away in the last 3 seconds. Then Wilps crashed the B1G party, made the final, was seconds away from winning after a late TD, and got, shall we say, a little bit of gamesmanship from Gentleman Brown - after a five count stall call tied it, Brown went from feet to knees on purpose to induce a locked hands call, and Wilps's entrapment defense was rejected by the judge. I think Wilps is an MD now. Bonus points for every factual error I made, of which I'm sure there are many, that you can point out.

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You had me until "and then with Tim Johnson, even better." Seems like a wonderful man and has some good instincts about the flow of a match, but he engages in these giant trivia data dumps during live wrestling, must be paid by the word, and must be paid bonus for every time he says the word "freshman," which you could make a drinking game of. Gibbons, on the other hand, takes a lot of criticism when I think he in reality is terrific. He has a nice understated manner, and immediately points out crucial and sometimes complex technique issues that provide important insight to the viewer.

These are good thoughtful posts. Delgado is a prime example of the problem with the sport. His first two years he attacked, attacked, attacked. He even bragged about it - said he'd take dozens of shots. And he won a title this way. And was great to watch. Then his junior year it was like he'd had some sort of transplant. He completely reversed, stopped shooting and became the uber ankle grab counter guy. To me this had to be partly the system to blame. That he believed that continuing to attack wouldn't keep working and the way to win is low scores and stopping the other guy.

Totally. Carr's surprise was palpable. My immediate reaction was to blame the current reffing climate - that he couldn't believe they'd actually pulled the trigger when it was warrented when that is so rare. But then the post-match interview was a little confusing to me. His answer was a little garbled - I couldn't tell if he was saying that he was surprised to be called for stalling or that he didn't realize he'd been warned so the call would result in a point. Did anyone else catch/understand what his answer was?

You're asking what it was? It was when Carr was on top and hanging on when O'Toole got to his feet. Those calls were in my opinion correct and well done. If that was how it was usually called then there wouldn't be the problem that has been so lamented on so many threads. Plus it made the overtime and the incredible display by Carr possible! Wow!

I hereby deputize you to figure out a way to word the rule to account for that situation. Because something has to be done. How many matches are going to be marred by the stalling problem tomorrow and then in Tulsa? Everyone knows that the answer is a lot.

The action call near the end of the Dean match is a perfect example of why they need the pushout rule. The ref had called Dean for stalling about 10 seconds before so he wouldn't make the second call that quickly even though it was clearly not an action situation. In other words he would have called stalling on Dean for just bailing out of bounds if he hadn't called stalling 10 seconds before. But he didn't because ... college ref. It's indefensible. They need the push out. Even the most ossified sporting organization anywhere, MLB, has made some rule changes.

LOL on the broadcast they appear to be showing just happened replays and announcing over them. So with 20+ seconds left in the Romero match as they called the taped action on the screen you could hear the PA guy congratulating Romero on the final score. Whoops.

Nice to see Gomez officially in the bracket. When he left the mat at Northwestern you had to fear he was done for the year. It'll be interesting to see if he keeps going after he qualifies.

Whereas I'd generally prefer a focus on Lee, in this case, they wouldn't have had much of a documentary if it was only about Lee and his 2021-2022 season, so, however they ended up deciding to cover the whole team, they probably ended up better off.

Look forward to it. I expect this will reinforce all sides' views. The coaches will come across as intense and engaged and deeply committed to their athletes. The athletes will come across as dedicated, earnest, extraordinarily hard working fine young men grateful to be part of this great program. But this great senior class falls short of its potential, due to inordinately high instances of injuries and an inability to find a higher gear in the biggest matches. I expect that iowa fans will see noble efforts thwarted by bad luck (covid costing them the 2020 title and injuries out of anyone's control blowing up 2022). Non Iowa fans will see uncreative overtraining leading to injury and an inability to adapt and score needed takedowns against top competition.