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Screw you, your buddy, whoever he got it from, and your commitment to logic.

A new, beyond trolling, credibility busting, low. This doesn't even work as self-satire.

I just think he wrestles hard and leaves it on the mat.

Respectfully - but firmly - LMAO at the idea that Ferrari could have made the finals this year.

KOT mad props

Sorry don't know how to edit. They're 3.5 out of third.

Apologies if already addressed. Is there (stlll?) a uniform uniform rule? Minnesota Askey wearing red singlet on 5th place nat with the first place guys wearing gold. Team point deduction? Only up one point for third and only 3.5 behind second.

As one would expect in the national tournament. The point is that you're pointing out that if the table gets run in a negative way against Penn State, and Nebraska runs the table itself, Penn State could theoretically lose. OK, fine, that's what message boards are for. But Penn State has never had the table run against it -- not even close. Instead, they usually do very well or run the table themselves. Particularly at NCAAs, they have often been a little flat at Big Tens, even losing, and then hit a higher gear two weeks later. Taking heart in yesterday because of the back to back Bartlett/Van Ness losses? Really? How about the pin that Kasak quickly responded with? How about the true freshman majoring the top ranked guy? How about Messenbrink spotting the hottest wrestler in the tournament a takedown and then breaking him and scattering him into itty bitty tiny little pieces that are still floating around beautiful modern Welsh Ryan Arena? And is there anything to suggest they'll do WORSE at NCAAs?

Wait. Are some of you guys suggesting the four intervening national championships might be more relevant than the (avenged) loss from four years ago to the currently 24th ranked wrestler?

If I read Manning's bio correctly, in a quarter century as a head coach, he's coached two guys to national championships and has had two team trophies, both 4th place. Hard to say he's the third best coach, clearly I'd put Koll and Tom Ryan over him for starters.

I was going to chastise you that there was already an open Ferrari thread for this but then clicked the link and saw what your (good) topic really was.

I am probably missing something, as usual, but I didn't think this interview was bad at all (by his standards). He didn't come across as psychotic and didn't say anything particularly offensive. His manner seemed relatively calm and somewhat professional. He seemed to acknowledge he had some personal work to do. His dig about practice room competition wasn't exactly teammate of the year stuff, but it was delivered low key and quickly and obviously it's true and the elephant in the room if not addressed. I do agree that the 3 point stance line was quite ironic and comical. Again, I began this with the caveat "by his standards," and if I were a coach I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole, but given who we're dealing with, I didn't think this interview was particularly negatively notable.

Between your Nebraska frolic and crypto mining no one is going to be able to charge their phones.

Of all your data driven, tour de force deep dive analyses, this is surely your most insightful.

Yes, Nebraska is going to wrestle at its absolute ceiling at every weight and Penn State at its absolute floor at every weight, just as they do every March.

Yes, all of those individual results could happen. But the chances that they all do, or even most, strikes me as very small. Even more to the point is that what you're talking about is a team collectively underachieving to about their worst possible individual results, when in fact this isn't some random program but rather the school that for 15 years has been doing the exact opposite. There are definitely programs who frequently before NCAAs whom you look at it and think, if everything goes right for them, they could challenge for a top 2 or 3 finish, and then they usually underperform and end up 10th. Whereas this program time after time exceeds expectations, expectations which are the highest. And BTW the fact that the OP hasn't immediately taken a FIFTY TO ONE bet says it all. The combined chances of a virus, injuries, plane crash, Dan Gable coming back to coach for two weeks, or the PSU AD pouring through all the old postings on this board and concluding that the entire athletic program has to be shut down because of Sandusky might add up to 2%, and none of those are even factored into the OP.

Question about tickets for anyone who is going (because I just had a change of schedule and think I can go but didn't get tickets because I thought I couldn't go). Are the tickets the old school paper tickets in a book for the different sessions, or is it all electronic? In other words, will scalpers/ticket brokers be selling paper tickets outside or are on-line secondary markets the only way to buy? Thanks in advance for anyone who knows!!

If the rule didn't allow for grounding, wouldn't that take away the way around it?

I like criteria. The incentives are bad without them. Both guys will be more cautious. Criteria is a little unfair but it is objective and it increases action. The pushout is objective too but the grounding rule is a giant loophole that can and often does swallow the rule.

Apologies if this has been well covered elsewhere. I'm generally fan of the pushout rule. I think it creates good incentives and produces more action. But aren't we approaching a point where the tactics around grounding are threatening to produce the same problem as we have in folkstyle? It comes down to the subjective discretion of the ref. Action/stalling. Grounded/not grounded. My take as of now is there shouldn't be a grounding rule. If you're out, you're out. The benefit from the pushout rule is that it is objective. That's what creates the incentives for more action in the center of the mat. It's now descending into a subjective morass. You watch a few different low scoring matches and see inconsistent application of the standard, which is exactly what the rule is supposed to avoid.

Thanks for posting, enjoyed watching that. I think I'm going to make myself watch this every time I travel, starting Friday, in order to try to change my attitude, such as with the guy at the rental car counter last week and the uber guy today, and most of the other service people in between.

This was a nice event, well packaged and presented by Flo, putting aside Bader, who does great work in the documentaries but just isn't good at announcing at live events. Gross and Gomez - terrific wrestling. Carr - he is really, really good and knows how to win big matches vs top opponents, tonight reminded me a little of the Mesenbrink final. I'd love to have his future and wonder what Dake is thinking. Lee - don't know what to think. Up five pounds, which is a lot at his size, he lost by only one point to maybe the hottest wrestler in the world. But Ono did control the match and it didn't look like Lee could have taken him down if they wrestled all night. I'd be curious what others thought, but it looked to me like Lee made a mental mistake on the third pushout, it looked like he was grounded near the edge and then chose to come off his knees, exposing himself to the risk (although he might have been thinking he had to because of the way the ref called that prior one). Last thought - boy, is folkstyle king in the U.S., the amount of traffic on this and the Iowa board for these high level, well promoted matches was tiny compared to even a solid top 10 college dual meet.

Both those paragraphs are right on point. Plus he got ridden out, never a good sign for NCAAs. He's a notable talent. Maybe in a different weight class he could have a realistic chance, but not here, not this year. And something else that I don't think has been pointed out -- how much sense does it make to spend a year of eligibility of a guy with his ceiling to throw him into the fire of Big Tens and NCAAs with only five matches of college experience. Would be a disservice to the wrestler. They knew how good he was the whole year, I can't imagine they ever thought Arnold was better at that weight. Therefore I doubt they ever considered having him go in March; if that was a serious possibility, he should have wrestled more college matches to get ready. For no other reason than to get more experience on bottom in match situations.

The whole thing is silly. It's based on the breakthrough performances of two guys who can't finish higher than third and the best guess would be something like 3rd or 4th and 6th or 7th. Maybe Jimmy is actually Cael himself, and posting here is his outlet, underneath all that controlled dullness is a standup comic bursting to get out.

Can't dispute what SOME might think but MOST seem appropriately thrilled, as evidenced by the uniform standing ovations, the endless autograph lines, and the oohs and ahhs every throughout the two minutes or so of all his matches.