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I hate current replay in most sports as I don't think it justifies the stoppage, particularly because they blow the call anyway a lot, and because they can't reverse when everyone knows they should a lot. It's particularly frustrating in wrestling because it's an action sport and a conditioning sport. As a fan the stoppages have noticeably lessened the viewing experience for me. One of the best selling points for the sport previously was that there aren't any timeouts. That's gone by the wayside. I'm not totally anti electronic help. Tennis has been helped enormously by many tournaments going all laser calls. If the ball lands out, a recorded voice instantly yells, "out," and the point is over. There are no arguments at all. Who can you argue with? Also, the players have confidence in the accuracy. This improves play quality, because you don't have players getting doubts in their mind about the fairness of the competition. Someone mentioned balls and strikes in baseball. I actually advocate that they go all electronic on balls and strikes, and get rid of replay for everything else, all other calls stand. Missed balls and strikes affect the outcome of baseball games 10 times more than missed other calls. The players have zero confidence in the home plate umpires, most of whom are not good at their jobs, which are very hard even if you're good at it (ball moving 95 mph, moving a foot or more, large human blocking your view). My understanding is that the minor league experiment, kind of like the old tennis system of challenges, worked very well and did NOT slow down the game. The pitcher, catcher, or hitter immediately touches their hat, and the ump is immediately given the call. That's it. It really depends on the physics of the sport and whether, like tennis, but generally unlike wrestling, they're susceptible to a clear, objective, electronic result. But I start with a bias against because the breaks in action are so substantial, and the results often ridiculous (last minutes of an NBA game are a joke, so long, and they screw up all the time). Another thing and I'll shut up. A lot of the overrules are to me pretty pointless. When a runner slides in safe and then is off the base for .00001 seconds when his foot comes off before his hand comes on, have we accomplished something by calling him out? There are also some situations in basketball where the last person to touch the ball is basically a technicality, it's been knocked out by someone else.
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Maybe he could ask Jordan Burroughs and Kyle Snyder about whether they, as people who had similar training and success in college while developing a marketable skill, have any suggestions about a career that could last well over decade from his current age and make him a millionaire.
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You're a beast.
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Yeah but go the other way. Did Cael look like the national champ his redshirt year?
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Those all all good points but they don't address the most relevant question. How confident are you that Cael would have won NCAAs as a true freshman?
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So I was walking past the TV the other day and someone was on saying something to the effect of, You don't really understand the complexities of what Tom Cruise does. He does his own stunts, he's working constantly, driving everyone else around him to do better, etc. Same thing here - no one understands the complexities of arguing on the message board. Case in point: When do I play my hole card? If I'm too quick, then the argument could get ignored in the flurry of other postings, but if I wait too long, then nobody's really paying attention any more. Anyway, I think it's time for my Dake Trump Card: People, he accomplished so much with the most rudimentary, prehistoric training methods. Back in college he didn't know anything about nutrition, about collagens, about sunlight, about functional patterns, electric waves. It's a wonder he could even stay upright, and he smoked David Taylor three times in a row. Case closed. GOAT.
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Really good points in here. On the redshirting, while what you say is accurate, it doesn't go to what I think is the key point/question: Would Cael have been a 4x champ if he hadn't redshirted? Obviously it's a hypothetical, so I can't claim anything conclusively, but I don't have high confidence that he would have won an NCAA title 9 months out of high school. And if he doesn't win 4, then he's obviously not in the conversation.
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You hit the key points of my ritual argument for Dake: 1. No redshirt, no redshirt, no redshirt. Huge difference. He won an NCAA championship nine months after he was in high school. How confident is everyone Cael would have done that? 2. Never really in substantial jeopardy at NCAAs. And his four wins in the finals were notable. Marion, who made another final and lost in OT, and who lost a semi on calls so extreme that they contributed to rule changes. He absolutely brutalized Molinaro, who then became an undefeated national champ. Then St. John, who won the next year. And the coup de grace was the great David Taylor, who won the Hodge the year before and the year after. Kyle Dake, sitting on three titles, went up a weight to where he wasn't even cutting to wrestle the Hodge winner, and beat him three times in a row in three completely different matches. This is an extraordinary fact. 3. Not as dominant before NCAAs, but he was putting together a very strong academic record at an Ivy League school and cutting a lot of weight the years he lost matches. It's reality -- that's a very big impediment that's gonna lead to competing in a lot of matches when you're just exhausted. I think picking Cael is totally reasonable and defensible. But I have Dake at least in a tie with him.
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39337111/miami-te-cam-mccormick-granted-ninth-year-eligibility Our 6th and 7th year guys are pikers, apparently.
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dragit replied to blueandgold's topic in College Wrestling
Nice. Props to Tim Johnson, who I oft criticize, for that classic call. -
Dake was too expensive so they hired AJ?
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All worthy candidates but I vote Snyder for dropping his redshirt to beat a guy on an 80+ match winning streak who was 50 pounds heavier in a classic overtime match at Madison Square Garden to cap off a night of great matches.
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There were dozens of gems, thanks to all who posted there; and it's so subjective, but for pure farcical value, I was partial to the very first post: How much money is Cael offering you to take over for Aaron Brooks?
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Looks like we have a new winner for dirtiest wrestler
dragit replied to 1032004's topic in College Wrestling
It seems to me that the fact that people are talking about the possibility that this student athlete might find a team to wrestle for in NAIA illustrates why continuing discussion of the issue (on a wrestling board) is not gratuitous. Not only would allowing him to injure another victim be immoral, one would think it would also expose the new university to substantial liability. -
Agree. Particularly because he comes across as an intelligent guy in his interviews, which makes his directing of this s#%$@ show so surprising and tragic.
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The dad appears to have substantial sway. Does he honestly not understand that the behavior is unacceptable for student athletes, or does he facilitate this because he thinks that the notoriety derived from lawless and/or classless behavior will be ultimately financially rewarding through WWE, UFC, internet sales, etc.?
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Snark alert. Absent Aaron Brooks getting run over by a bus (or someone hitting his car doing 100 mph in the wrong lane) AJ isn't going to be a 4 timer even if Northern Colorado gives him a singlet this yeat.
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looks like Baylor Fernandes is off the UNC roster finally
dragit replied to Bardamu911's topic in College Wrestling
Speaking of mothers, it needs to be emphasized again, how amazing and how great for the sport is Mrs. Lilliard? If you've read her posts that Mineo posted by screenshot, they are starkly honest, direct, dignified, and forceful -- and with zero malice toward the wrestler who injured her son. Although the subsequent events have been opaque, it appears that her decency and determination are the only things that have finally put a stop to this dangerous conduct. -
looks like Baylor Fernandes is off the UNC roster finally
dragit replied to Bardamu911's topic in College Wrestling
Agree. They and she don't seem to be providing further information, so while it's possible that the school finally took action on its own, based on past performance, my guess is that the coach, although pissed, hadn't kicked him off, and the athletic department continued to slumber, then her complaint comes in, it triggers some sort of a reporting protocol, which leads to someone with a working cranium and/or someone with an active bar card finally being looped in (at least a year late), which leads to a quick realization that the mom's son has a very strong claim against the university (complete with videotape!), which leads to a quick dismissal of the athlete from the team, and the beginning of settlement discussions, which leads to both sides not commenting further publicly. -
looks like Baylor Fernandes is off the UNC roster finally
dragit replied to Bardamu911's topic in College Wrestling
Nicely put. The focus here should be on the university. Putting him on the mat again was indefensible and actionable. As WKN said, hopefully the student will graduate from college and have a good future without wrestling. Any school who would put him on a mat after last year's atrocities is fully responsible for its reckless conduct. Any plaudits Nickerson might deserve for Alirez are more than wiped out by this disgrace. -
Looks like we have a new winner for dirtiest wrestler
dragit replied to 1032004's topic in College Wrestling
This was one of my posts from a year ago, for which I was pilloried. The word in question IIRC was "irredeemable." That this would happen again was a 100% sure thing. Only surprise is that it took this long. The coach and athletic director are responsible for the injuries caused by their wrestler. They, not him, are ultimately at fault. He clearly can't help himself from doing this when he wrestles. I don't know why and I don't care. For all I know he may be a good guy and a solid and productive citizen off the mat. It's quite possible he honestly doesn't understand that what he does is at all problematic. But it doesn't matter, and the problem hasn't been with him since the second incident; its the university's decision to continue to put him on the mat which is wholly indefensible. -
Correct. His argument doesn’t really make any sense under the circumstances (incredibly close call based on reaction time that wins the match against number one ranked guy if reversed). And his sub-argument about the lung break was exactly wrong based on others' immediate and firm reaction. Burroughs very clearly and forcefully said that they should challenge because Echemendia was gassed from the flurry, and Woods obviously saw it too because he shot on the whistle when OT started. Combine this with the brain fart at 174 (I can't picture Tom Brands not knowing the score and the riding time of a match in the final seconds, nor do I think he would have failed to challenge at 141 if the roles were reversed) and Coach Orange had a very bad day. He said in his press conference that everything had gone against them, but they were the ones who screwed up, whereas Iowa lost two AAs and a seasoned starter to the vagaries of the NCAA, made a canny move at 174/184, and got the job done on a day that many thought a torch would be passed.
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Iowa gambling story is a nothingburger
dragit replied to Jimmy Cinnabon's topic in College Wrestling
Wow!! So cool. The same thing happened to me, I was out on a date with Gisele Bundchen at the time and it was so embarrassing. -
Kyven Gadson got to the top of Mt. Everest first. Griffith is actually the best. Just a smart, thoughtful guy.
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If he does move somewhere, I'd recommend he ship his stuff, not bring a car, and do wind sprints to wherever he's going.