Dogbone

Yes. Quarters don't start until 9 ET.

Maybe the win over Barnett was the real Wow. Otherwise Terukina results are not that surprising to previous seasons.

Foca rides out the 3rd and wins 4-3 over Rowley (Pur)

Foca tied 3-3 with 1 min to go, trying to ride out for the win (RT).

It's okay to admit you either don't know what the phrase paper tiger means or you were wrong in claiming he was a paper tiger. Of course, the #2 preseed could lose before the finals, but people didn't "lose their minds" because you stated he could lose to Allred.

I haven't seen Allred throw much. He has a good leg attacks and finishes but I don't see him tossing Hidlay. Most of his pins have come from top position, if I recall. Give me Hilday to win the whole tournament.

I get the feeling that the contract to make trophys for the NCAA is similar to a government contract where it there is no checks and balances and hammers end up costing $10K. And no one at the NCAA is smart of enough to dig into or rebid the contract so they just cut the 4th place trophy = $1M savings = everyone in Indy pats themselves on the back.

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Duals now have video review so we don't need more cameras, but 3 people sitting somewhere together to review and the ability to communicate with them and stream them the replays. Most venues have internet so my question is what is the actual cost to try and have independent reviews? Why couldn't the same 3 guys do all of the NCAA D1 duals from an offsite location? Yes, there would be some overlap but not many reviews happen at the exact same time. It would also provide some consistency if the same 3 officials (probably more to rotate but still a smaller number) were reviewing most questionable calls. Would eliminating the 2nd ref offset these cost? And does it really matter if some schools/conference can't afford to participate in a joint 3rd party review system, it wouldn't be a competitive disadvantage to the participates any more than someone getting screwed by a bad call now? To be clear, I agree with your position on independent reviews and I probably don't understand the entire cost necessary, but it seems possible, if there was a real desire to solve the problem.

Agree! I'll go a step further and ask is it really unreasonable for duals? There is a second ref on the mat and I honestly do not what value they actually provide. Have the 2nd ref be an independent video reviewer. Almost all duals have a video now. I get smaller duals may not have enough angles but just use whatever you have and if it is not conclusive, keep the original call. Better than nothing.

I think my favorite thing in this thread is the tangent into minorities that included Italians with references to mother's heritage but couldn't think of any others Italians, like Pat Pop, Santoro, Borrelli among others.

Does anyone really think the officials were going to overturn the call at 141? I understand the argument that Dresser should of challenged, but when has any ref overturned their own 50/50 call.

125 - Iowa dec. 133 - Iowa dec. 141 - Iowa tf 149 - toss up, No TD match but lean VV as he has more experience winning 0 TD matches. 157 - Iowa dec. 165 ISU dec. 174. Iowa dec. 184 - ISU maj. 197 - Iowa dec. Hwt - ISU tf. I got Iowa winning 7. ISU needs to win 2 of the 3 toss ups at 133, 149, 197 to pull the upset with 125 also in play. Should be a good dual.

What were the best matches from last week? It is hard to watch everything so looking for the best matches to go back and watch.

Bono's issues, whatever they are, that led to them getting shutout by ISU go beyond Askren IMO. He was unable to keep his two best wrestlers in Gomez and Wick from finishing their careers at Wis. let along staying post grad to train. I get that outside factors may have played in there but if you can't keep your best around to wrestle post-grad it is not a good sign. Braxton Amos was as blue chip as they come and he hasn't sniffed AA status yet. What's going in on Madison??

Welcome to the board, Mark.

His highest "value" was probably after he won NCAAs or the Olympics. His star has dulled a little. Doing a backflip after winning another title with 300,000 people watching on ESPN will probably help his "value" again.

I really enjoyed the Jimmy stated good threads era...

Maybe, possibly, but who really knows. Maybe Mason Parris is paying Gable to not compete so he could win an NCAA title, Hodge Trophy, World Bronze and be the one to qualify the weight for the Olympics. Where was Conner Stalions in all of this?!?!

I will probably never understand why Gable went through qualifying for Worlds only to skip it and then come back to win an NCAA title.

The seeding committee doesn't take into account previous seasons. Remember, Brooks was the #3 seed last year.

I am guessing Lenny could of chosen in the off season to go 174 or 184 and stuck with 184 so he must think it gives him the best chance. Van Tressel at 184 doesn't score more points at B1Gs or NCAA than Wilson/Jagger (if healthy) at 174 so put Lenny wherever you think he can score the most. Since he didn't shrink his body in the offseason, I would keep him at 184 and just deal with the hole, best you can.

The 24-25 season will be Wilson's 6th year as he is only a Jr this year (with the covid free year). No idea if he will take it. I think the confusion is because the website doesn't list him as a "redshirt junior" like it does with Ridge. Not sure why they are inconsistent but if you click on the bios the website does a really good job of laying out each year, including how @Gus laid it out for Wilson.

Fired.

On a side note, I thought Mike Mal did a great job on the call. I would like to see him call more duals, hopefully ESPN/ACC or B1G will give him an opportunity.