Dogbone

Someone is going to finish 8th who thought they had a chance to finish 2nd. It's that even. The trophy race (outside of PSU) is going to be fascinating this year.

As someone mentioned that is a lot of freshman that would not only need to be AA but high AAs to get significant points at NCAAs, but the team is probably stronger since only Surtin graduates. With NIL and transfer portal you might be able to build a stronger lineup next year with O'Toole and Rocky than the 2026 team with a lot of freshman and KOT and Rocky.

125 Mich dec. 3-0 133 Mich MB 7-0 141 Neb dec. 7-3 149 Neb dec. 7-6 157 Neb dec. 7-9 165 Mich dec 10-9 174 Mich MD 14-9 184 Neb dec 14-12 197 Neb dec. 14-15 HWT Mich MD 18-15 I have it 5 matches to 5 but bonus points the difference. Nebraska could steal 125 but Michigan can steal 141, 149 and 157 from my prediction so more margin for error.

25 Iowa 3-0 33 Tied 3-3 141 Iowa 6-3 149 Tied 6-6 157 PSU 9-6 165 PSU 12-6 174 PSU 16-6 184- PSU 20-6 197 - PSU 24-6 285 PSU 28-6

I imagine the extra covid year played a large part along with NIL. I don't think all of their AAs establish Northwestern North if they didn't have a degree in their pocket. NW won't be able to get as many transfers in due to academics so they have to build from within.

Is Kilkeary making a complaint? What's his screen name?

In the picture provided by the OP, its called Time Expired.

This is just 100% not true. The hand touch rule change was not applicable here. It was also not neutral danger nor does anyone think it is. OSU was behind the arms with :05 left then PSU went to his back for a count and got off his back with about :01. It was an obvious TD. It's not PSU hate, its hate toward the official and the ridiculous application of reaction time that had a direct impact on the match outcome. I thought Woods was pinned too but haven't seen a definitive replay nor would it have changed the match, which is why their isn't as much outcry.

2 things should happen as a result of the this match: 1) That official shouldn't be allowed to ref big time matches or NCAAs. It was that bad of a (no) call. 2) Eliminate officials reviewing their own calls. There is no point anymore and it is just wasting time if they are not going to look at it with an open mind. I guess it might be too expensive for every match to have an independent 3rd party, but then we need to eliminate reviews because they are currently pointless.

Can Brian Smith be underrated while also being ranked above Jon Smith??

Can be delicious, but too many empty calories to enjoy on a daily basis.

The best weekend of the year, wouldn't miss it.

100%. Equally concerning is he keeps posting it like its impressive.

I would agree if we were discussing the Greats or 4Xers. Vito only got brought into the conversation after Le Duke claimed that "only remotely comparable people " are the two guys who can be 4xers (KOT and AB) to which someone mentioned Vito's freestyle credentials are better. Then the goalpost were move to just folkstyle.

That's crazy. You actually can discuss guys who are a similar tier even if they don't have the exact same resume. Vito's title was more impressive than any of Carters and he has more wins over National Champs in the finals than Carter. Carter's finals wins: Kemerer (0 titles), Lewis (1 title), Labs (0 titles) Vito final wins: RBY (2 Titles). 2 > 1. Vito is also the more accomplished freestyle wrestler. Don't get me wrong, Carter has had the better career but it is not beneath him to be mentioned in the same thread as Vito.

What place would the PSU or Iowa transfers on their own? What place would an all transfer team place at NCAAs? got to be top 5 right?

So Gomez has 4 matches right now. Michigan has duals against Iowa (2/2), Nebraska (2/9), Indiana (2/16) and CMU (2/25) left on their schedule, but Gomez is going to try and qualify 65KG in Mexico Feb 21 - 24. Assuming he wrestles Iowa and Nebraska. Skips CMU. Indiana might be tough if he needs to get down to 143 and travel to Pan Ams 5 days later, he will enter B1Gs with 6 maybe 7 matches. I assume he will steal someone spot at B1Gs with a good showing. After B1Gs, he will have 8+ matches and can get ranked in the Coaches Poll, but won't have an RPI since he won't have 15 matches. How much will not having an RPI hurt his seed? If he doesn't beat Ridge his highest quality win will either be D'Emilio or Webster (Ill) based on Intermat rankings. Even if he splits with Ridge, he is 8-1 entering NCAAs. How does he get seeded?

I just want to add this is an amazing thread and the work @Wrestleknownothing and @gimpeltf provide is invaluable. Hopefully, PSU either doesn't top 171.5 or they blow past it and we don't have argue over whether the 3 point TD made it easier for PSU to accumulate bonus points that Iowa didn't get to enjoy in 1997.

With Van Ness, Gomez isn't talented enough to win it all? I didn't think Van Ness was a next topic, national champ.

I agree. I don't think he would even call, but I also don't think he would get/accept the job so if we are going to play in hypotheticals, lets at least have some fun with it.

It's a great question. I can't imagine any former AWA would be off the table. I don't think KOT is going anywhere but if Ben called and asked him, it's probably not a hard no.

This is a message board where Kyle Dake/David Taylor/JB are suggested for every college opening including the not vacant Iowa job. Your logic and reason have no place here. The no brainer, imo, is Tony Ramos. Let him be close to home/Izzy/ recruit Chicagoland. I imagine he can build a relationship with Askrens and they don't have to deal with Boosters/Admins, etc.

It did?? There is no evidence to suggest Foca could have or would have beaten Labs during that tournament. He didn't get the opportunity but that doesn't mean it did matter. Of course, every tournament has examples were the the eventual runner up didn't beat the eventual 3rd and the hypothetical finals would be different. Seeding 1-4 absolutely has an impact and is important. Foca just isn't a great example.

It is not a point of pride. It sets up the Semifinal matches. If Carr and KOT wrestle twice before NCAAs, I don't think we need to see that match on Friday night just because MM or Ramirez didn't have the same schedule. Of course it matters for the lower seeds as well as it sets up their path to AA.

I thought regardless what the formula spits out, the committee can move a guy a spot or two. To me, the committee should be splitting up Carr and O'Toole (i.e. don't let them be the #2 & #3 seeds or the #1 and #4 seeds). If a formula splits out MM #1, I am okay with it as long as the B12 runner up isn't on the same side as the B12 champion.