GreatWhiteNorth

I don't believe anyone swept covid "under the rug" - it may not get much press, but our medical system is still fully invested in Covid research. I agree we need to think independently. Speaking of that... Who's this OffTheMat dude? He's describing the vaccine like nobody ever heard of it before? WTF? You support this clown?

That is complete and utter bullshit. If I could check your IP Address - I'd guess you're posting from Russia. ***duck duck goose** Russian's and the constant lying.

I am grateful Roy Wilson saw through the politics of this and sees it for what it is. The professor should have been fired outright, not placed on paid leave. mspart Serious question here: Is this post based on actual facts? Looks like a load of BS to me. Let's check the source... WTF, source is 'lifenews.com' - never heard of them. Nobody I'd trust. Hmmm... I'll check... Life (stylized as L!FE, formerly LifeNews) is a Russian pro-government news website owned by Aram Gabrelyanov [ru; hy; uk] and published by News Media [ru].[2] Its offices are in Moscow. The brand is most commonly associated with the now-defunct LifeNews channel. It's a boatload of crap from Russia. mspart - tell me you aren't pushing this garbage?

In my best LJB impression... "them" - the opposite of "us"... They must be bad, since we are clearly good... I've done the research; Hunter Hilary's email laptop server is where the answers will be found.

I didn't assert that. But I can see where you may have misunderstood what I posted. When it comes to guesswork, there are more than a few countries that could have been predicted to have done better than us. But that's merely guesswork. So much we didn't know about Covid at the time. It's easy to claim otherwise in hindsight. As I've said, we all have our own personal morality - as it should be. We're all very different people, with different perspectives. We are all relevant and important. How you've warped that into you judging my morality isn't particularly good. I'm being as calm and as reasonable as possible. I don't get it - what axe do you have to grind with me?

I don't disagree that Sweden did better. When there are no concrete answers at hand, we soldier on as best we can. When faced with a zero-win situation like Covid, some will do better while some will do worse. Not because anyone has answers or got it correct. If it wasn't Sweden, it would have been some other country that did better. Sweden had no crystal ball, they suffered just like everyone else - just not as badly. That's not a win as much as it's not as bad a loss. I agree - there were certainly serious moral issues involved. And even more moral issues than either of us has yet posted. But that wasn't my point, I was specifically addressing the "correct from... a moral perspective." I don't agree with labelling anything correct or incorrect because it agrees or disagrees with my personal moral position. Going down that path leads to, at best, nothing good.

I'm sure you believe that those you listed "got it right, more or less" - I just don't agree with you. IMO, DeSantis was no more correct than Fauci - and it would be easily argued that he was less correct. Which I wouldn't argue, because IMO, none of them got it right and they were all just flawed humans who got it wrong to different degrees. This was a zero-win scenario. What you said about "correct (from both a scientific and moral perspective)" doesn't sit well with me. We all have our own versions of morality - which is fine, and to be expected. But to somehow claim those that agree with our personal morality were correct - while those that didn't agree were incorrect... isn't logical. Earlier Covid conversations on themat.com were helpful in that they allowed us to exchange perspectives and learn as we tried to figure out how to deal with something none of us had ever seen before. It was valuable, personally I learned a great deal. But what we're seeing from various posters now is mostly politically based, finger pointing garbage that serves no useful purpose. Like I said earlier, better to let sleeping dogs lie. But that's just me.

I think you're right; it does set a new standard. If 'undefeated' is important, only those 10 are possibly on that list. That makes picking finalists easier and less subjective. (Aka, less for fans to complain about.) All the "early" Hodge talk is virtually meaningless (which was really mostly complaining) - it now gets rolled into the "who will win NCAA" discussion where it belongs. Going forward, they could eliminate those with too many losses, etc. to streamline it and not weaken the vote from teams with multiple champs (ex: Star*/Brooks.) And, lastly, this year it set a way to legitimize not listing Spencer Lee as a finalist without causing the pitchfork types to start burning the place down. This was, by far, the easiest way out of that potential mess.

I know a lot of people that have done this. They got so accustomed to wearing the mask all day that they sometimes forgot to take it off when they got in the car. Some places (ex: hospitals) still require masks. We're all creatures of habit, and it's easily been long enough to develop the habit. I've done it on my motorcycle... but only on cold days. I liked the way the neoprene mask kept my face warm. I imagine some people who saw me thought I was crazy to think I needed to wear a mask riding, maybe even had a laugh at it. Amazing how judgmental people can be when they haven't taken the time or effort to try to understand first. I imagine that's the product of the "us vs them" caveman mentality. Covid is finally receding, but that caveman mentality is going strong as ever.

The reason being that most have moved on. If, as a country, we did too much - some will feel the need to point fingers. If we did too little - more finger pointing. It simply wasn't possible to make all the decisions to make everyone happy. All of the bickering is as relevant as the stink in the cow yard. We can all point fingers all day long and it won't accomplish anything. It happened, we dealt with it, none of our leadership did it well, it was a cluster, and now we can finally stop bitching. Which I'm honestly thankful for. By all means, continue to bicker. I doubt that my post will change anyone's mind. Just leave me out of that stink.

2006 NCAA 1/4's Fleeger v Reiter... and the "slam" heard 'round the world:

Ahem... like I said Jayson Ness.

No, no, no. More conspiracy theories need not apply. We're getting to the end of that mess - that sleeping dog is just fine.

I'd put Dylan Ness ahead of Lee.

C'mon be nice, my farm never stank like Greeley. Cow pies dried up just fine on their own.

Don't know him - I'll check him out and get back to you.

You'd do well to wait until it dries and use a pitchfork (or potato fork if your older brother already has the pitchfork.) MUCH lighter and easier to handle.

No, I did not. Used either a pitchfork or a potato fork. Not a shovel. Perhaps you have no experience?

I grew up on a farm. Had cows. Nothing that smelled anything like Greeley that day, though. Oof da...

Jennifer. Norwegian gal. Not the raw fermented fish eatin' Norwegian type. The prim and proper type.

Literal. I had girlfriend who went to UNC for a grad school program. When I visited, I'm not sure which part(s) we drove through, but there was a lingering smell through the places we drove. Cleared up by the time we got to UNC. No disrespect to Greeley, maybe it was a weird once in a decade type event? I don't know. But it was a stinker that day.

I do need to know - I've only been to Colorado a handful of times, but when coming to Greeley, it smells bad. Why?

Cuz that Antitroll guy can be tedious? I get that. He just called me out for making the mistake of Warner being 3rd instead of 5th... details.

9 was like 10%! But good point, I do pride myself on being a friendly competitor. Let's see how it goes next year.

5th. I stand corrected. We both should well know, because he was on my fantasy team that kicked your team's arse!