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He is small compared to some other 165lbers. That doesn't mean he is undersized. I would call him average sized.

If you cared to pay attention, you would know that I am well aware that the ASC plays in to the coaches ranking. Seeds and predictions are all quite different animals. Seeds are based off results, which rankings try to take in to account as well. Predictions are typically well off because then you have more of an opinion factored in and you are able to take in to account who you THINK the best at the weight is. Aaron Brooks as the 3 seed made sense. He popped out as the 3 seed in the seeding formula. He had a worse RPI, worse winning percentage, less quality wins and worse results against common opponents (Coleman for Keckeisen). The seeding formula is a formula. The only opinion based thing on opinion there is Coaches Ranking, which I am pretty sure he was #1 on still. You keep saying there is precedence and using a piss-poor example. Brooks had actually lost and that dropped him down on a lot of criteria, especially since his match count was less than the other guys with one loss (Hidlay/Keckeisen). The same will be said for Mesenbrink if he takes a loss. There are quite a few other guys that will have a better winning percentage because of his match count. For example, if O'Toole and Carr both go 1-1 on the way out, with one of them winning the title, the one who loses will lose the conference title criteria of the seeding formula to an undefeated Mesenbrink. He also loses winning percentage. Those are two that he is already behind on. Here is a thread that Nomad had started last year regarding this...

He had no difficulty with Amine, who is well touted by his opponents for being the strongest they have wrestled.

Not really apples to apples, mate. PK and TH both had one loss on the season prior and they split. Brooks had one loss to someone who wasn't either of them. Brooks had one loss to someone who wasn't even a title contender in most people's eyes (the coach's being the most important one to consider due to Coach's Rank).

It's actually worse than what they had with Davis. They were consistently beating a consistently better Sparty team with Davis, weren't they?

A damn fine showing by tOSU gents all-around. Some head scratchers early on, but definitely a great win for the team.

I agree on this take. Bartlett wrestles close matches against guys afraid to lose and he tends to win comfortably against guys who aren't afraid to open up a little bit. Mendez isn't afraid to press the accelerator to the floor. It will either work or it won't. A 3 to 1 advantage one way or the other is how I see it.

I agree on the Caliendo bit as well. Caliendo is like an aggressive version of Amine. He could get teched.

I think the formula may spit Mesenbrink out, however the committee can move people up/down if required. I could see where if Carr wins the dual and O'Toole wins the B12 a one-loss O'Toole being moved above Mesenbrink... 2x defending champ, etc. That route could put Carr at the 4 seed as well, due to Ramirez having the same amount of losses and having lost the H2H... BUT Carr does have more matches, so even with the same losses he will get the nod on that criteria due to winning percentage. Due to it putting them on the same side, I could see the committee NOT elevating O'Toole past Mesenbrink for the 1 seed, in that scenario. The same the other way, too. If Carr wins B12 but loses the dual, I think they end up as the 2/3. A lot is going to be dependent on the final coaches ranking, I think?

It's that thing the ladies do once a month, I think.

I mean... he's not wrong. With how these gents are wrestling right now and what results they have already put in... he cannot be Tier 1, as Ramirez is Tier 3. The law of Tiers is that you cannot jump two and win a regular match. Something would have to be off... illness, injury, or a deckfall for someone more than one tier away to defeat someone above them. My tiers would have been different (better ), but I commend @flyingcement on a great effort. He did well.

What are the odds, providing Mesnebrink wins out, that he gets the 1 seed over a 1+ loss O'Toole or Carr that is also the B12 champ?

Sta(l)rocci was a punk long before that dual. If you were to look for a heel on the team prior to that most people would have said Sta(l)rocci, as it were. That said... this is entirely on the Maryland coaching staff for not preparing their squad appropriately.

I feel attacked for Dr.@MPhillips. Such a mean thread title.

You disagree with all twelve takes then? Some are opinion based, I will give you that. Others are not and that makes you wrong.

Nah. I have had a few wrestlers end up going to MSU. I wanted to go there, myself, but 'ended up' at Michigan. Honestly looking at what Sparty is doing this year with what they have to work with and they are getting the most out of the least in relative terms. Their room would be less than par in the MAC, imho. The coaching staff is doing a helluva job.

For me it wasn't because of the reason I said. I still understand it was an upset.

I love their mew lifting digs. I wish they could get attention on the room. Wrestling doesn't move the needle where it needs to at the administration level there, though.

I may be the only one on this forum that has been in both rooms within the last ten years.

14-4 for Shapiro w/ riding time of Mauller.

Shapiro is destroying Mauller...

I am not saying that I am correct, just repeating what was posted by Mizzou ~45 minutes ago.

Per their Twitter both Mauller and Whiting are wrestling today.

149 has had a few starters this year. 157 is a surprise. 184 they are three deep there with three gents that could get R12 or so type production.

Is it now Josh Saunders's's time?