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Last year there were rumblings prior to Robb getting his release to actually go, that this was going to be the lineup, sans Allred. That is the only one that suprirses me, but McDaniels is a guy you try to get in the lineup ASAP.

I agree on the noise. He could be an Amos type situation like Wiscy with Hillger or Trumble at NC State. Just too big for that weight.

Then you have him and Attao there. You'll be familiar with Attao after this next year.

You're also talking two entirely different mentalities of 'Illinois' there. Micic is Chicago through and through whereas Medlin most definitely is not.

Where is the rest of this, my man.

It will. He will be the first ever to not only get five titles, but also a sixth later that day. He will be petitioning to compete in both weights. The NCAA will start at 197 and end at 184 for the Finals and he will win both. He will get 50 team points.

And if you add Tanner Hall to that squad, the average age still increases...

Everyone is dinged up, not everyone is injured. He was injured and on one leg. He went Boss Level for his fourth natty. Another way to say what you said... - Earned revenge on a guy that beat him at B1Gs (HAHA!) - Beat probably the fastest/most athletic 174lber in the nation in Kemp - Shut out 2x finalist and former national champion - Shut out a 2nd former national champion - Out-ground and shut out a true frosh that had the tournament of his life. Have you performed as well as any of that? I am sure you have won multiple national titles, B1G titles, etc. I am sure you would have done better one one leg last year than he did. No he wasn't. He was clearly out of shape and had botched a weight descent/cut to 163lbs less than two weeks prior (word is that he was within two pounds and was forced to stop by the medical staff - so in <two weeks went from 165 to 189lbs). It is the OTT and being on the team was a dream of his since he was four. You don't make any excuses to not go. You go.

Ah, I thought you did since they created the thread.

FIFY Also, I think he is still there and working off a medical. He'll take over the spot for a year or three after Schultzy is gone.

@Le duke is not a Flo Bro.

He should have a fair amount of length on Byrd. Byrd has typically owned Ragusin, but the matches have been dogfights, so he knows how to handle length. Can he handle the length and athleticism, though? Now, he isn't NC State's Tariq Wilson, but he could pose some problems with superior length and athleticism for everyone at 133lbs, providing the cut doesn't cost him an arm and/or leg.

If you want to cite total bonus matches, you should take in to consideration that Pinfalls garner more points, so a points per gained per match should be apt. Now if you do a total points scored at Nationals, you're going to see that it will be him first, because he is going to have five NCAA titles worth of points. All of it is analysis on what you want to put weight on, so opinion definitely does matter for 'what matters more' when looking at them. For me, when he went Boss Level on last year's field, while wrestling on one leg, that is quite possibly one of the best performances we have ever seen. Also, add in that the year prior when he wasn't injured, he did score the most points out of everyone included. To me, it makes logical sense to give him the benefit of the doubt for last year, and that doesn't even take in to consideration the gauntlet of prior national champions that he had to trudge through.

The thread title and subsequent question/poll specifically states Team Points. You can try to add whatever asterisks to you you want to it, I will stick to the thread's discussion topic. I would thoroughly enjoy to have a conversation with you on dominance, of which I will refer you to my prior moniker for Starocci in Sta(l)rocci. I entirely agree with you that he is a boring defensive wrestler. Let us discuss it in another thread that is on topic, though.

Pinfalls count as more points, which is the measuring stick for breaking the Team Points record.

Is it because Tanner Hall is taller than you? I don't think he is that tall.

Just noticed this would be almost half transfers in total in these line-ups...

He was injured. He had the most points the prior two years did he not?

Tanner Hall in his 42nd year at Arizona State skews it for them.

Greetings All, Meandering about and trying to figure out how and what and where and it got me thinking... both Oklahoma and Illinois could be sneaky good this year. Providing the coaching staffs do what is needed to help everyone make that next step (or more) and stay healthy - they both have the potential to have ten national qualifiers (each). How would this dual shake out? How do some of the guys who are changing weights perform? Wrestlestat has it as Illinois 19 - Oklahoma 12 however, at first appearance it appears every match could be a toss-up. https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/perma/754/oklahoma-vs-illinois 125 - Lorenzo, OU VS Attasauov, ILL 133 - Belton, OU VS Byrd, ILL 141 - Schwartz, OU VS Pucino, ILL 149 - McDougald, OU VS Webster, ILL 157 - Wiley, OU VS Kraisser, ILL 165 - Picklo, OU VS Scoles, ILL 174 - Sax, OU VS Brawnagel, ILL 184 - Parker, OU VS Ruth, ILL 197 - Bradley, OU VS Brawnagel, ILL 285 - Mora, OU VS Luffman, ILL If this match were to go 30-0 either way, the result would surprise me, yes however, I could see any one of these twenty guys defeating their counterpart in a tightly pitched match. "Oh, no. Webster is a class above McDougald" Yes. I agree. McDougald beat Watters (WVU) last year convincingly. Ergo, this could be a match. "Schwartz is way better than Pucino." I also agree. The results given show that they are comparable against comparable opponents. Ergo, a match between them could be tightly pitched, were they to rematch. What are everyone else's thoughts on this dual? Every match would be a grind and I am for that. Especially since I don't see any 1-1 OT type matches here.

It is his 6th year, not 8th. Tanner Hall was in for 24 years before people noticed. This should be nothing new for heavyweights at ASU. That said, he hasn't even used a medical or an Oly-shirt, so there are quite a few that have been in for longer than he has.

It is hard to disagree with this. Even taking the current dumpster fire that is the Middle East in to account. The UWW should look further away from these 'hot' zones for host sites. Finland and Poland both lost age level stuff last year because of proximity and not because of discrimination. Both should be considered if they're going to do that, not just one. On the other side of it, I also think having U17s in Jordan this year was potentially dangerous. It ended up not being dangerous, but if you move from Finland and Poland, you have to move from Jordan (where Israel has shot missiles through to get to Yemen recently). On yet another side of it, if you were to make sure the proximity of the competitions were in a location that were a certain distance from active warfare, you're only able to hold any competition in Iceland - ever... maybe Hawaii or New Zealand (are the Aussies still fighting those damn Emus?!).

I know it sucks to see, but the numbers don't really lie. They are a large program (~50 kids), right? Since they opted in, they will be forced to reduce down to 30 as a cap. They would still be bringing in less to the school even if they had zero scholarships for wrestling. I fear this is not the last of this.

Can't have him and Munoz at 197 at the same time.