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Agree. If they DQ Brennan I don’t understand how the guy from Oregon State doesn’t get the bid. He even beat both of the other participants in the PAC 4 so it’s not like there’s an argument about who was the true 2nd.

If I had to guess, maybe Little Rock is arguing that since 2020 was their first year as a team and half of their lineup was true freshmen, that 2020 should be able to count as a redshirt year or something (since he did not use a redshirt otherwise)? I do appreciate the persistence from Brennan. In his first PAC 12 tournament as a true freshman in 2020, he went 0-3 and didn’t score a point in any of his matches. In both 2022 and 2023 he went 1-2 only beating guys from Bakersfield and didn’t score a point in his 4 losses. In 2024, he went 1-1 and finally notched a win over a non Bakersfield opponent, and even scored 2 points in his loss. Then of course goes 2-0 this year

The main argument will be from guys in the Ivy League who could not wrestle in 2021 and did not get an extra year. Also Minnow did bring up that Josh Humphreys was injured in 2021 but got denied a medical RS for an extra year. That could be a damaging precedent for Brennan’s case

Looks like this one got deleted…

Was it truly free or did you have to have cable? A lot of people don’t have cable anymore

Agree, I feel like people think it’s cool to hate on Pat’s, but they did literally invent the thing. I much prefer them to Jim’s (seems like @Voice of the Quakers agrees) for example, yet Jim’s takes forever and Pat’s dishes them out like every 5 seconds. That said, Angelo’s might be both my favorite pizza and cheesesteak ever. Portnoy does know what he’s talking about

Yea that was the point. @ionel suggested that wrestlestat having Keckeisen over Starocci was correct

Not according to the OSU roster

Spratley is from NY?

Wrestlestat had Gable Steveson ranked #5 when he first came back this season but @ionel thinks they have it “right”…

And they don’t factor in the weight the matches are wrestled, so WS doesn’t help your point….

Ranking a guy ahead of someone that just majored him doesn’t feel very normal to me

I know you’re trolling, but WS is ratings not rankings. And they don’t even put any more weight (pun intended) on what weight the matches are wrestled, so thanks for proving yourself wrong? (I’m sure the reason Starocci is lower on WS is due to his injury default losses last year)

You think Keckeisen should have been ranked higher than Starocci to start the season?

They’ve done it on the Octobox for NCAA’s

So are you only arguing against Hardy and not Lilledahl?

Minnow is really worked up about this. He must know the Rider guy or something. His first post is technically incorrect, as they did not need to be “freshmen” in 2021, they just had to be on the roster in 2021 and not used up 4 years of eligibility between 2022 and 2025

Now you’re just making things up. I’m sure it’s a factor in general like in situations where the resumes are close, but most people are going to rank a 4x champ bumping up higher than a 1x champ from the same weight

He won the conference so it was an auto qualification

He wrestled the day before they wrestled UNI, winning by fall. He also wrestled 6 days after they wrestled UNI, also winning by fall.

Willie is fired up on Twitter about it.

Maybe but that’s a different conversation. That’s where the subjective aspect of rankings comes in

Why shouldn’t ranking also have a conference championship bias? It’s the second most important tournament of the year. But you kinda seem to be disregarding tournaments in general. If the resumes were exactly the same and we’re just talking about CKLV and not the conference, the guy that won the tournament would have a good argument to be ranked higher than the guy that got 3rd, even if they didn’t wrestle.

Yup