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When was the last time someone won a match by getting 1:00 of riding time as the clock hit 0:00? But honestly, as I think about it more I feel like that would actually be exciting. I do think we need to do something about 1 second of riding time deciding 2OT matches though.

That’d be more exciting IMO than winning 1-1 on criteria from 2 shot clock points because the ref felt it was the other guy’s turn to get hit for passivity

Wrestling probably should bill itself as the minor leagues of MMA, TBH. MMA seems to be what is driving things like the growth in jiu jitsu participation for kids, even though if I had to bet wrestling is probably the most common experience among successful UFC fighters. Professional leagues are “happening,” but how successful are they (honest question)? Not nearly as successful as the UFC I’m sure

Seems inappropriate for a school setting, no?

Interesting, It was even an “extra match” in the last dual of the year against a guy from Presbyterian that was 1-10. Odd.

According to him, “his records are clean” https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1X7aqFPDkZ/?mibextid=wwXIfr

To be fair, the old ASU well didn’t work out too great this year, and the Wyoming (via Oklahoma) one did

Willie confirmed the $500k amounts for Teemer and Buchanan. Not long after that, Carter Starocci said he was the highest paid college wrestler. “By a lot.”

Another day, another lie from Elon

I never said “at their preferred weight,” I just said start. That’s part of my point. If a guy is good enough to win an Olympic medal the team probably finds a spot for him. (I don’t think Rocco Welsh is good enough to win an Olympic medal, but feel free to bookmark this post)

Well first of all I said “I think.” But I feel pretty strongly about that TBH. I know Bartlett’s main problem was his size, but I think it’s a safe bet Rivera at 141 was bigger than him at 149, I believe he had said he would get up to like 160 even when wrestling 125. And Rivera was in his 5th year vs Bartlett as a true freshman. Then in Bartlett’s sophomore year he lost to Rivera’s teammate Mike Van Brill. You don’t think Rivera was beating Van Brill in the Rutgers room? And even without those 2 years, that’s still a 3 year starter at worst. Don’t see how you can disagree with him starting over RBY given the H2H win. RBY also could have redshirted.

He couldn’t beat Nick Lee, doesn’t mean he couldn’t start. I think he would have started every year he wrestled IMO 2018 125 (Kuhn) 2019 125 (Schnupp) 2020 133 (he beat RBY 7-2 at B10’s, RBY probably cuts to 125 where they started Meredith) 2021 149 (Bartlett was a true FR giving up weight and DNQ, I say Rivera would have done better) 2022 149 Bartlett was 15-10 and went 1-2 at NCAA’s

I’m not saying the kids are wrong for choosing something. My point originally was mostly just to say that if someone can’t start at Penn State, they’re probably not winning an Olympic medal. Whether they stay at Penn State or not. And I stand by that. And outside of Olympic dreams, obviously there are a lot of guys that would rather be a backup at Penn State than a starter somewhere else. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But when it comes to AA-level talent or close to it, recent history seems to show that its probably more common now for those types of guys to leave than stay (Beard, Barraclaugh, Facundo, Evans, Seth Nevills, etc)

Not horrible, but having one less ring, an AA trophy, and the same knowledge from working with that staff would be better.

I asked a similar question earlier about post-college success of “PSU room guys.” I was honestly curious. I can’t think of any guys that weren’t consistent starters at PSU, did not transfer out and then had post-college international success. So I’m more just arguing that claiming “these guys care more about Olympic medals than NCAA ones” hasn’t really worked out for guys that couldn’t start at PSU but didn’t leave. I could certainly see the Barraclaugh route however become more frequent. Spend 2-3 years at PSU to get as good as you can be, then go elsewhere for your last year or two so you can get on the podium and as @Dogbone said, potentially parlay that into a coaching job if that’s what they’re interested in.

Yeah I’m not a fan of people ignoring sportsmanship. If you want people to ignore it then take if off the list of criteria. Funny that Pyle even made a tweet saying something about how he voted for Carter “considering all the criteria.” Well, except sportsmanship apparently. But to his credit he did shut down the ridiculous argument about “techs being more dominant than pins”

Interesting that you first say “multi-national champ OR 3-4x All-American,” but then narrow your question about world and Olympic medals to only those that “did not win multiple national championships.” Because I’m pretty sure if you change the question to those that “were not 3-4x All-Americans,” the list is pretty short. I’m no freestyle expert, but in the last decade or so I can’t think of any besides Joe Colon, and Tervel if you go back another year. Which goes to my point, if you want to win a world medal, you probably need to be able to start for Penn State.

Ok you got me, I was wrong, they were more active than I thought. Again I called them out for poaching other guys, I just didn’t initially think this particular one was.

If you can’t start at Penn State, you probably aren’t winning Olympic gold

Before the Welsh news, Willie mentioned a rumor of Feldman talking to Penn State, he said it wasn’t true, maybe that was really Welsh, or maybe it was true. One Mirasola was already likely being squeezed out of the lineup, so that could make sense if they both leave

Maybe not as much as they have now, but they have had guys like Mason Manville and Joe Lee come in with age level freestyle success, not be able to crack the starting lineup for an extended period yet stay in the PSU room but then not really do anything post-collegiately either.

Clearly Welsh’s destination was confirmed prior to him officially entering, but the portal window had been open for a week so the discussions/negotiations still could have occurred during the actual portal window. Maybe they didn’t, we don’t really know, but we do know for sure that Buchanan and Teemer’s plans became official outside of the portal window. This is also after the season had just ended, giving his former team more time to find a plan B.

I had not heard this claim about Nagao until just now. My understanding was he entered the portal and a bidding war ensued. I was under the impression Iowa offered more, albeit not by much (IIRC, Nagao specifically said he did not take the highest offer). Your first part was true about Iowa IMO prior to this year. The Buchanan and Teemer situation of them not being in the portal then just showing up at Iowa did probably earn them some criticism.

I am by no means trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. I mean in this very thread I suggested they’re exaggerating injuries to get medical redshirts. They poached James obviously. But continuing to recruit verbally committed guys seems pretty common. They poached Kerkvliet. They probably pay the second most money after Iowa. I just don’t think I’d call Welsh “poaching”

@MPhillips or tOSU homers, is Kharchla for sure done? Seems like he could probably get a medical for 2024 if he wanted to. Obviously not a good NCAA’s (tough draw though), but he did actually have a pretty good regular season