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Sorry, don’t mean to distract from the women’s discussion and I am all for adding more women’s teams but how do 1/3 of the D1 women’s programs not have a men’s team? That’s crazy. I would hope Tarleton State is trying to push for both simultaneously.

Speaking of the Snyder lack of interview, here is a comment from I believe one of Intermat’s correspondents (although the podcast is no longer called the Intermat podcast), saying that holding Snyder out was “egregious.” Starts at 19:00

I honestly don’t really blame the media, I blame the programs. It seems their fear of “being cut off” is legitimate, IIRC I think those types of threats were basically what led to the situation that ultimately caused Willie to leave Flo. It would’ve been nice for someone to push the Snyder issue, but I’m sure they would’ve just said “we can’t comment on an ongoing legal matter” or something anyway.

You didn’t cite several studies, you cited one, if we want to call it a study, it was based on a google survey, only asked about “expectations” and not actual earnings, the “expectations” were opposite of what you claim, and it didn’t have the highest earning sports well-represented. The other links you posted were just media articles, and were focused on women’s sports. I agree that there’s a racial disparity in women’s sports. But the majority of NIL dollars are spent on men’s sports, mainly football and basketball. I did analyze the data I posted. 55% of the top 20 valued players are black, with them having 52% of the dollar value. You were the one that kept citing that “51% of NCAA athletes are people of color,” so the numbers are in line with that. Speaking of, will you at least acknowledge that your claim of “people of color only get 16% of NIL dollars” is complete nonsense? That was the main thing I was trying to point out. If we can agree on that, sure I’ll agree that the % of players on top football and basketball teams that are black is higher than 50%. But again, the value that the top white football players have is almost entirely driven by being a quarterback. Again as I mentioned this is very similar to who’s the highest paid players in the NFL, actually looks like based on last year’s salaries the top 20 NFL salaries are more skewed toward whites than NIL valuations: https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-25-highest-paid-players-2024/694fb43f95a9784f4724647d Of the top 21 paid players in the NFL (there was a tie for 20), 11 are white, 10 of which are QB’s. And NFL teams care way more about winning Super Bowls than social media followers.

You were the one that made the claim that there was a disparity, the onus is on you to prove it. But to this point, there are only 5 white basketball players in the top 50 of that list, with the first one not coming in until #28. 2 of those 5 are 6’11 and 7’ foreigners. I have zero clue about basketball to tell if they’re mediocre, but I did find it interesting that 4 of the players are on 2 teams which I wasn’t aware were really basketball powers: Purdue and Creighton. Doing a quick search, the #28 guy was the B10 player of the year last year, doesn’t sound mediocre. Oddly enough it looks like both of the Creighton guys are incoming transfers from Iowa.

Zero chance he doesn’t have insurance with a family. Besides, Bader pretty much said only the lung transplant was the issue. He’s been in the hospital for weeks, if he had no insurance at all I’d guess the hospital stay could cost more than the lung transplant.

Corby and MSU158 are currently arguing about this on the Iowa board. Corby says USAW, MSU says NCAA. Corby also thinks they’re just going to get rid of the 250 mile rule altogether

Also that number is only kindergarten redshirts, doesn’t include kids being held back at any point between starting kindergarten and graduating high school (some of which had done both, like Bo), which would also be part of my estimate.

Yes doing a quick search I saw the Stanford study that said that, but was from 2013.

My personal opinion, about 10-15% of all students. I’d guess around 20% of D1 athletes.

Are you from America? Because it’s extremely common here especially if we’re including delaying kindergarten by a year as “being held back” (and I believe that was one of Bo’s extra years)

Well please share your hard data which shows Dunne made “by far” more than Manning.

It’s not weird to hold back one year. It’s a little weird to do it twice, but not all that rare.

Reminder of how Minnow and Askren feel about each other. Of course, Askren’s feelings were justified but then Minnow got butthurt

Bader mentioned there was a group text and did say Ben asked for wrestling results (which Minnow said but Amy’s post didn’t), guessing he somehow got one of the guys on that text chain to share with him

Very skeptical of this claim

Are you aware of any studies that HAVE found a racial disparity? Because the only “study” you posted was a google survey which found that black athletes had higher expectations of compensation than white athletes. And your Opendorse data is highly skewed. Where in my list does it show “more money going to white athletes relative to NIL participation”? Because blacks were 55% of the list and 52% of the dollars? That’s hardly under-indexing and impacted by the #1 guy who comes from one of the most famous families in football making 50% more than anyone else. And to that point like I said, literally every white player in the top 20 was a quarterback, which is similar to what you’d find among the highest paid NFL players. But yes, a donor could be racist and give disproportionally to white athletes, particularly in non-revenue sports where the players’ value is pretty much just based on what the donor is willing to pay. Of course, there is no indication this is the case with Nicolls, who if anything has added more diversity to the team with the guys he’s helped bring in. Buchanan, Teemer, Parco, Bailey, Williams, Endene, Woods…

What about the other 20%?

It told Jordan’s side of the story that he’s said whenever he’s been asked: “He never heard of any abuse.” They did talk about how Jordan was just a young coach at the time. Some of the wrestlers made comments about how they considered Hellickson as like a second father, but I believe said Jordan was more like a brother. It did talk about all the times the abuse was formally reported (unfortunately, most of which was not from the wrestling team) and nothing was done. And how they forced the non-student Strauss abused to be in a meeting with him where Strauss yelled at him, and how Strauss filed complaints against people that complained about him. And how he was still able to retire in good standing despite even all the complaints that were on record. It did talk about the Nassar story in particular. DiSabato claimed seeing the press around that is when he realized what happened to them was abuse (although I’m sure @OhioHusker will just say he saw dollar signs). It really didn’t focus much on Jordan at all, and where it did was driven by the perspectives of the wrestlers (and the referee), and not even really DiSabato, as others mentioned the other guys it did focus on all seemed like stand up dudes.

At the school, yes. Generally it would be in the coach’s office or something but they might not always have a separate shower. But IIRC the referee in the story assumed he was going to be the only one in there at the time, and was caught off guard when Strauss joined him.

How do you know there weren’t hundreds of victims? Heck, even if he only did this to 1 or 2 people per team per year, he worked with multiple teams and was there for 20 years. Not that hard to get to hundreds. Completely disagree about the “nobody would care about it if it didn’t involve Jim Jordan.” The documentary wasn’t just about the wrestlers. The most severe claims in it were made by a hockey player, and the fencing coach and a non-athlete were also a major part of the documentary. And as was discussed earlier, the wrestlers did not say Jordan or Hellickson were “the bad guys,” they were just disappointed in how they turned their backs on them when they went public, particularly because Hellickson had initially said he would support them but then ghosted them, seemingly at the urging of Jordan.

I know I said earlier I thought it was more just about the ability to train there, but honestly the Keegan (probably Bill on the wrong profile) post actually does make me think maybe it did have something to do with funding the travel. Because I’m not sure if they’d really consider just the ability to practice as “getting something.”

$14 to ship a t shirt in 8 weeks, you’re killing me Rudis

IMO, as I mentioned earlier the only place that “race plays a role” is with women, which 3 of your 4 earlier links were primarily about. And that’s more due to sexism than racism.

You keep repeating this “people of color only received 16% of the total NIL compensation” line. There’s just no way that’s true. It says it’s from Opendorse, which is a website for athletes to try to find NIL deals. Maybe I’m wrong but I’m going to assume their data is only based on transactions that occur on their site. The problem with that is that the top athletes don’t need to use Opendorse, so they’re going to be missing the biggest deals from their data. Speaking of, I’m not aware of better “studies,” but the easiest thing to do would be to look at the top deals. Maybe this isn’t exact but it’s much better than 3-4 year old data that only comes from transactions on one website: https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-valuations/ 1. white football player - $6.8m 2. White football player - $4.3m 3. black football player - $4.2m 4. black basketball player - $4.1m 5. White football player - $3.8m 6. black football player - $3.7m 7. black football player - $3.7m 8. white football player - $3.4m 9. white football player - $3.1m 10. White football player - $3.1m 11. Black football player - $3.0m 12. Black basketball player - $2.8m 13. Black football player - $2.8m 14. White football player - $2.7m 15. black football player - $2.7m 16. White football player - $2.4m 17. Black football player - $2.4m 18. black football player - $2.3m 19. Hawaiian football player - $2.3m 20. black basketball player - $2.3m So, of the top 20 valued players, 11 are black and if my math is correct, they account for 52% of the total dollars. Probably worth noting that every white person on this list is a quarterback. Edit: after further review, updated #19 to Hawaiian