SetonHallPirate

I'm not looking for a poll, or to see what percentage thinks this is a good idea or a bad idea, but I'm trying to brainstorm any unintended consequences here: What if there was a no-saved-by-the-bell rule, like in boxing, where if an official is either counting nearfall or imminent nearfall, and the period clock expires, wrestling continues until either the bottom man has broken the hold, or been stuck? Again, not looking for a head-count of for-or-against, but more looking for feedback.

Just a note, I can't edit the original post, but the Virginia/George Mason dual has been pushed back from 12 to 2 PM.

https://wrestlingbypirate.wordpress.com/2023/01/04/january-3rd-2023-wrestlingbypirate-dual-impact-index/

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Wednesday, January 4: Arizona State vs. Cornell at Austin, TX, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Thursday, January 5: Brown at Franklin & Marshall, 12:00 PM Brown vs. Presbyterian at Franklin & Marshall, 1:30 PM Davidson at Franklin & Marshall, 1:30 PM Brown vs. Davidson at Franklin & Marshall, 3:00 PM Presbyterian at Franklin & Marshall, 3:00 PM Wyoming at Northern Iowa, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Friday, January 6: *Air Force, American, Army West Point, Brown, Campbell, Davidson, Drexel, Franklin & Marshall, Harvard, Hofstra, Kent State, LIU, Lock Haven, Navy, North Carolina, Penn, Presbyterian, Princeton, Sacred Heart at Lehman Open, hosted by Franklin & Marshall, 9:00 AM Bellarmine, Queens at NWCA National Duals-NCWA Division, Louisville, KY, 10:00 AM Cleveland State at Lake Erie, 6:00 PM Bucknell at Michigan State, 6:00 PM Rutgers at Bloomsburg, 6:00 PM Ohio State at Indiana, 7:00 PM Binghamton at NC State, 7:00 PM Cornell at Virginia Tech, 7:00 PM Chattanooga at VMI, 7:00 PM Illinois at Iowa, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Ohio at West Virginia, 8:00 PM Penn State at Wisconsin, 9:00 PM (8:00 PM) Michigan at Cal Poly, 10:00 PM (7:00 PM) Saturday, January 7: *Bellarmine, Queens at NWCA National Duals-NCWA Division, Louisville, KY, 9:00 AM Utah Valley at Snow College Open, Ephraim, UT, 11:00 AM (9:00 AM) Truett McConnell at The Citadel, 11:00 AM George Mason vs. Virginia at Richmond, VA, 12:00 PM Keiser at The Citadel, 1:00 PM Wyoming at Iowa State, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) Minnesota at Northwestern, 3:00 PM (2:00 PM) *Nebraska at Campbell, 4:00 PM *Gardner-Webb at Campbell, 5:30 PM Northern Illinois vs. South Dakota State at California Baptist, 6:00 PM (3:00 PM) *Gardner-Webb vs. Nebraska at Campbell, 7:00 PM Oklahoma at Edinboro, 7:00 PM Northern Illinois at California Baptist, 7:30 PM (4:30 PM) *North Carolina at Penn, 8:00 PM South Dakota State at California Baptist, 9:00 PM (6:00 PM) Sunday, January 8: *Cleveland State, Edinboro, Oklahoma at Bobby Kaufman Open, hosted by Edinboro, 9:00 AM *Virginia Tech at George Mason, 1:00 PM Clarion at Central Michigan, 2:00 PM *Arizona State at Iowa State, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) West Virginia at Pittsburgh, 2:00 PM Iowa at Purdue, 2:00 PM Rutgers at Rider, 2:00 PM Buffalo at SIU Edwardsville, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) Binghamton at Appalachian State, 3:00 PM Michigan at CSU Bakersfield, 3:00 PM (12:00 PM) Oklahoma State at Oregon State, 3:00 PM (12:00 PM) Wisconsin at Illinois, 4:00 PM (3:00 PM) Northern Iowa at Missouri, 5:30 PM (4:30 PM) *Virginia Tech at American, 6:00 PM

Matches against teammates basically don't exist. They aren't even supposed to appear on the In-Season Record Form, in fact. (Rule 9.6.4)

https://wrestlingbypirate.wordpress.com/2022/12/27/december-26th-2022-wrestlingbypirate-dual-impact-index/

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is eligible for a one-pound weight allowance. Thursday, December 29: Arizona State, Bloomsburg, Brown, Buffalo, Central Michigan, Cleveland State, Franklin & Marshall, George Mason, Harvard, Illinois, Indiana, Northern Illinois, Northwestern, Penn, Pittsburgh, Princeton, Rutgers, SIU Edwardsville, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin at Ken Kraft Midlands, Hoffman Estates, IL, 10:30 AM (9:30 AM) Army West Point, Bellarmine, Columbia, Iowa, Northern Iowa, South Dakota State, The Citadel, VMI, Wyoming at Soldier Salute, Coralville, IA, 11:00 AM (10:00 AM) Friday, December 30: *Army West Point, Bellarmine, Columbia, Iowa, Northern Iowa, South Dakota State, The Citadel, VMI, Wyoming at Soldier Salute, Coralville, IA, 12:00 PM (11:00 AM) *Arizona State, Bloomsburg, Brown, Buffalo, Central Michigan, Cleveland State, Franklin & Marshall, George Mason, Harvard, Illinois, Indiana, Northern Illinois, Northwestern, Penn, Pittsburgh, Princeton, Rutgers, SIU Edwardsville, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin at Ken Kraft Midlands, Hoffman Estates, IL, 12:00 PM (11:00 AM) Sunday, January 1: Appalachian State, Binghamton, Bucknell, Chattanooga, CSU Bakersfield, Duke, Gardner-Webb, Hofstra, Iowa State, Little Rock, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota State, Northern Colorado, Oklahoma State, Purdue, Rider, Stanford at Southern Scuffle, hosted by Chattanooga, 10:00 AM Monday, January 2: *Appalachian State, Binghamton, Bucknell, Chattanooga, CSU Bakersfield, Duke, Gardner-Webb, Hofstra, Iowa State, Little Rock, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota State, Northern Colorado, Oklahoma State, Purdue, Rider, Stanford at Southern Scuffle, hosted by Chattanooga, 11:00 AM

Don't you mean Senator @BobDole?

JB just hit the nail on the head. Actually...I take that back...I'd change exactly one letter in his post, in the word before "ADs"...I'll let you all figure out what the word actually would be.

He’s the only guy that weighed in at 133 for Penn State…the only options are bumping up either Vespa or Steen (Schindeldecker did not weigh in), or sending out one of the Forfeit brothers…

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Monday, December 19: (Blue) Iowa State vs. Oregon State at New Orleans, LA, 11:00 AM (10:00 AM) (Red) Lock Haven vs. Northern Iowa at New Orleans, LA, 11:00 AM (10:00 AM) (Blue) Cornell vs. Oregon State at New Orleans, LA, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) (Red) Lock Haven vs. Ohio State at New Orleans, LA, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) (Blue) Cornell vs. Iowa State at New Orleans, LA, 3:00 PM (2:00 PM) (Red) Northern Iowa vs. Ohio State at New Orleans, LA, 3:00 PM (2:00 PM) (Red) Cal Poly vs. Lehigh at New Orleans, LA, 5:00 PM (4:00 PM) (Blue) Central Michigan vs. North Carolina at New Orleans, LA, 5:00 PM (4:00 PM) LIU vs. The Citadel at St. James, NY, 6:00 PM (Red) Cal Poly vs. NC State at New Orleans, LA, 7:00 PM (6:00 PM) (Blue) Central Michigan vs. Penn State at New Orleans, LA, 7:00 PM (6:00 PM) Gardner-Webb at Ohio, 7:00 PM Fairmont State at West Virginia, 7:00 PM (Red) Lehigh vs. NC State at New Orleans, LA, 9:00 PM (8:00 PM) (Blue) North Carolina vs. Penn State at New Orleans, LA, 9:00 PM (8:00 PM) Tuesday, December 20: Campbell vs. Utah Valley at Purdue, 10:00 AM Drexel at Purdue, 10:00 AM Campbell vs. Drexel at Purdue, 11:30 AM Utah Valley at Purdue, 11:30 AM Campbell at Purdue, 1:00 PM Drexel vs. Utah Valley at Purdue, 1:00 PM *Blue Pool 5th/6th Place at New Orleans, LA, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) *Red Pool 5th/6th Place at New Orleans, LA, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) *Blue Pool 3rd/4th Place at New Orleans, LA, 4:00 PM (3:00 PM) *Red Pool 3rd/4th Place at New Orleans, LA, 4:00 PM (3:00 PM) Bellarmine at Appalachian State, 5:30 PM *Red Pool 1st/2nd Place at New Orleans, LA, 6:00 PM (5:00 PM) Queens at Appalachian State, 7:00 PM North Dakota State at Missouri, 7:30 PM (6:30 PM) *Blue Pool 1st/2nd Place at New Orleans, LA, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Wednesday, December 21: Duke vs. George Mason at Presbyterian, 12:00 PM American at Sacred Heart, 1:00 PM George Mason at Presbyterian, 2:00 PM Duke at Presbyterian, 4:00 PM Thursday, December 22: Bloomsburg, Franklin & Marshall, LIU at Wilkes Invitational, hosted by Wilkes, 9:30 AM *American at Hofstra, 6:00 PM Clarion at Cleveland State, 7:00 PM Friday, December 23: Edinboro at Kent State, 5:00 PM

Don't blame you...I had to look to make sure there was neither a nonstop flight nor, shockingly, even a direct Greyhound bus line between the two (literally requires changes of bus in both Memphis and Baton Rouge, amazingly)!

Would not have thought that the only ways to get between Little Rock and New Orleans would be a connecting flight or a rental car...

https://wrestlingbypirate.wordpress.com/2022/12/13/december-12-2022-wrestlingbypirate-dual-impact-index/

You mean nobody's ever given birth to a baby over 100 pounds?

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Monday, December 12: Clarion at Bloomsburg, 7:00 PM Thursday, December 15: Appalachian State at North Carolina, 7:00 PM Friday, December 16: Chattanooga vs. SIU Edwardsville at Gardner-Webb, 11:00 AM Clarion at Gardner-Webb, 11:00 AM Chattanooga vs. Clarion at Gardner-Webb, 1:00 PM SIU Edwardsville at Gardner-Webb, 1:00 PM Clarion vs. SIU Edwardsville at Gardner-Webb, 3:00 PM Queens at Davidson, 5:00 PM Presbyterian at Davidson, 7:00 PM Bucknell at Sacred Heart, 7:00 PM Sunday, December 18: Edinboro at Buffalo, 12:00 PM California Baptist, Indiana, Michigan State, Utah Valley, Wyoming at Reno Tournament of Champions, Reno, NV, 12:00 PM (9:00 AM) American at George Mason, 1:00 PM Northern Illinois at Kent State, 1:00 PM Bucknell vs. Edinboro at Buffalo, 2:00 PM Northeastern JC at Northern Colorado, 3:00 PM (1:00 PM) Nebraska at South Dakota State, 3:00 PM (2:00 PM) Bucknell at Buffalo, 4:00 PM Northwest Kansas Tech at Northern Colorado, 4:30 PM (2:30 PM) Lindenwood vs. Virginia Tech at Stanford, 4:30 PM (1:30 PM) New Mexico Highlands at Northern Colorado, 6:00 PM (4:00 PM) Virginia Tech at Stanford, 6:00 PM (3:00 PM) North Dakota State at Little Rock, 7:00 PM (6:00 PM) Lindenwood at Stanford, 7:30 PM (4:30 PM)

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Wednesday, December 7: Franklin & Marshall at Ursinus, 7:00 PM Friday, December 9: Pittsburgh at Brown, 6:30 PM Army West Point at Penn, 7:00 PM Minnesota at North Dakota State, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Saturday, December 10: Missouri, Northern Iowa at UNI Open, hosted by Northern Iowa, 10:00 AM (9:00 AM) Fairmont State at VMI, 11:00 AM LIU at Binghamton, 1:00 PM Shenandoah at VMI, 3:00 PM *Michigan State at Brown, 6:30 PM Iowa at Chattanooga, 7:00 PM Edinboro vs. Ohio at Saegertown, PA, 7:00 PM Wyoming at Air Force, 9:00 PM (7:00 PM) Sunday, December 11: Central Michigan, Cleveland State at Cleveland State Open, hosted by Cleveland State, 9:30 AM Pittsburgh at Columbia, 12:00 PM Buffalo at North Dakota State, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) Kent State at Ohio State, 1:00 PM Maryland at Navy, 2:00 PM Oregon State at Penn State, 2:00 PM Rutgers at Princeton, 2:00 PM Drexel at Wisconsin, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) Lindenwood vs. Minnesota at Cal Poly, 2:30 PM (11:30 AM) Lindenwood at Cal Poly, 4:00 PM (1:00 PM) Oklahoma State at Oklahoma, 4:00 PM (3:00 PM) *Missouri at Virginia Tech, 4:30 PM Minnesota at Cal Poly, 5:30 PM (2:30 PM)

Ironic that Byrd was originally a Maryland commit (when Kerry McCoy was still coaching there).

Makes two of us.

The Arena is usually great, this is actually the first time I've seen an issue with the current version of it. (and it's updating, just very slowly) This thread isn't a reference to CKLV, at all. It's a reference to the Penn State/Rider dual.

The Penn State/Rider dual wasn't on a college campus. It was from a disused minor league hockey arena in downtown Trenton several miles from Rider's Lawrenceville campus that presently has no regular tenants.

Yeah, but given that he got hurt, I'm not sure you can really call that an "upset"...

In high school, I think you could blunt that by going to the current college rules (not the arbitration-style rules I've suggested). I hate matching up as much as the next guy (esteemed Senator from Kansas notwithstanding), but I feel like being able to choose the start weight in HS (with no "strikes", so to speak) would be a fair and equitable counterweight to not being able to choose odd/even matches to send second.

Minor change: The Bloodround (Consolation 2nd Round of Eight) is actually being wrestled Friday night, and wrestling is starting at 1 PM Eastern on Saturday.

Contrived drama? It happens behind closed doors anyway, at weigh-ins! And it's not unheard of...when you are choosing an independent arbitrator for an arbitration hearing (for example), the two sides are given a list of eligible and willing names, and they alternate striking names until one guy is left...