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Sure does...won't really matter in terms of qualifying though, as Hedges was not a Division I opponent.

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Thursday, November 16: NC State at Army West Point, 7:00 PM Minnesota at Bucknell, 7:00 PM West Virginia at Clarion, 7:00 PM Friday, November 17: Liberty at Lindenwood, 5:00 PM (4:00 PM) *Dakota Wesleyan at South Dakota State, 6:00 PM (5:00 PM) *Binghamton vs. NC State at Albany, NY, 6:30 PM *Buffalo vs. Northern Colorado at Albany, NY, 6:30 PM *LIU vs. Virginia at Albany, NY, 6:30 PM *Presbyterian vs. Sacred Heart at Albany, NY, 6:30 PM Utah Valley at American, 7:00 PM Campbell vs. Wyoming at Centennial, WY, 7:00 PM (5:00 PM) Michigan at Columbia, 7:00 PM St. Andrews at Queens, 7:00 PM Virginia Tech at Rutgers, 7:00 PM California Baptist vs. Embry-Riddle at Vanguard, 7:00 PM (4:00 PM) *Northern State at South Dakota State, 7:30 PM (6:30 PM) Oklahoma at Little Rock, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) *Binghamton vs. LIU at Albany, NY, 8:30 PM *Buffalo vs. Virginia at Albany, NY, 8:30 PM *NC State vs. Sacred Heart at Albany, NY, 8:30 PM *Northern Colorado vs. Presbyterian at Albany, NY, 8:30 PM *Augustana at South Dakota State, 9:00 PM (8:00 PM) California Baptist at Vanguard, 10:00 PM (7:00 PM) Saturday, November 18: *Bellarmine, Lindenwood, Little Rock, Northern Illinois, Northwestern, SIU Edwardsville at Lindenwood Open, hosted by Lindenwood, 10:00 AM (9:00 AM) Franklin & Marshall, West Virginia at Shorty Hitchcock Classic, hosted by Millersville, 10:00 AM *Air Force, American, Bloomsburg, Bucknell, Cleveland State, Davidson, Edinboro, Kent State, Lock Haven, Navy, Nebraska, Ohio, Princeton, The Citadel at Navy Classic, Owings Mills, MD, 10:00 AM *Sacred Heart at Cornell, 12:00 PM Morgan State at George Mason, 12:00 PM Minnesota vs. Morgan State at George Mason, 1:30 PM Minnesota at George Mason, 3:00 PM Sunday, November 19: *Appalachian State, Drexel, Duke, Franklin & Marshall, Harvard, Indiana, Penn, Sacred Heart, Utah Valley, Virginia Tech at Keystone Classic, hosted by Penn, 9:30 AM Army West Point, Binghamton, Brown, Buffalo, Gardner-Webb, LIU, Michigan State, Northern Colorado, Penn State, Rutgers at Black Knight Invitational, hosted by Army West Point, 10:00 AM Ohio State at Columbia, 11:00 AM *Minnesota, Northern Iowa, South Dakota State at Daktronics Open, hosted by South Dakota State, 11:00 AM (10:00 AM) Cal Poly, California Baptist, CSU Bakersfield at Roadrunner Open, hosted by CSU Bakersfield, 12:00 PM (9:00 AM) *Indianapolis at Purdue, 12:00 PM Utah Valley at Spokane Open, Spokane, WA, 12:00 PM (9:00 AM) Central Michigan vs. North Carolina at Illinois, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) Oregon State at Iowa, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) North Dakota State at Oklahoma, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) Pittsburgh at Lehigh, 2:00 PM Arizona State at Missouri, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) *Northern Illinois at Purdue, 2:00 PM Michigan at Rider, 2:00 PM Limestone at VMI, 2:00 PM Iowa State vs. Wisconsin at Humboldt, IA, 3:00 PM (2:00 PM) North Carolina at Illinois, 3:00 PM (2:00 PM) Ohio State at Hofstra, 4:00 PM *Northern Illinois vs. Indianapolis at Purdue, 4:00 PM Central Michigan at Illinois, 5:00 PM (4:00 PM) Marymount at VMI, 5:00 PM

I’d direct you to the guy in charge of the NCAA when that decision was made, but given that he’s been dead since 2009, I don’t think he’s available for comment.

You'd have at least 17 months...rule changes are only made in odd years.

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Just a reminder: It's not Cal-Baptist, or Cal Baptist. It's California Baptist. (got an e-mail from their sports information department a year or two ago about this)

I have no earthly idea what you're talking about.

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The number this VP quoted to me was more than that. But I suspect most A5 schools don’t want to start programs unless they have a shot at a national championship. Simply “existing” is not a goal for them.

Just pragmatic reality. Talked to an A5 University Vice President at the NWCA Convention over the summer and asked him what it would take to start a program at his institution, let’s just say the number they asked for was a kick-rocks number.

Getting an FBS school (and especially an A5 school, which all of those schools you mentioned except Rice are...all of them are FBS) to start a program is like expecting a unicorn to wish upon a shooting star that you'll win Powerball this Wednesday...it's completely unlikely to happen. Tarleton is a smaller Division I school (in fact, they're still within their transition period...2023-24 is their last year of their transition), and as such, their required fundraising level to start a program is much lower. Further, as I mentioned in a previous thread, you have to go back to 2016 for the last time a non-FBS Division I school dropped wrestling (Grand Canyon). Priorities, put simply, are a lot different at non-FBS institutions than at FBS schools.

If Dallas Baptist were to start a wrestling program, unless they moved their entire athletic department to Division I, DBU would be a Division II program.

Yep! Congratulations to Grant Leeth!

Poor University of Arkansas at Little Rock.

They have a roster of 30 for this season, 25 of whom are freshmen. Not sure how well they are going to do this year, although my expectation is not great. (if a brand new Division I program is competitive in year one, I would have to wonder what the coach is doing wrong for down the road)

I'm far more worried about programs at FBS institutions than FCS or non-football D-1's (UALR doesn't sponsor football, which is why they left the Sun Belt for the OVC). You have to go back to 2016 (Grand Canyon) for the last time a non-FBS D-1 program was dropped. Not-so-fun fact that nobody pitching a new program will mention (hopefully): no AD that has started wrestling at a Division I institution in the last 10 years has been around to see that program's first home dual (this is a streak that will continue with Morgan State).

That must be a relatively new change...(last couple of years or so)

Well, Wisconsin (to use one example) has their teams compete in a tournament for regionals, where the winners of each regional advance to sectionals and (eventually) state, which is wrestled in a dual format.

Yes...Bellarmine is in its last year of transition this coming year. Queens (and Lindenwood) won't be eligible until 2026-27.

If the Ivies ever do split from the rest of the EIWA, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dartmouth and Yale instantly started paying attention…

More allocated spots doesn't mean it's easier to make it to nationals. On the other hand, more allocated spots means it's a tougher road to get to nationals. (it's really meant to be neutral in that regard...as in, you aren't benefiting more or less by going to another conference) The only caveat to that is, if a conference has nobody within threshold, they'll get an automatic bid to nationals anyway. (as we're reminded every year at the Convention, only the conference champion receives an automatic bid. The rest of the bids given to each conference prior to the conference championships are allocated spots)

My experience is that it always populates for me with Florida tournaments first…maybe that ought to be selectable (and maybe it is and I haven’t noticed it yet), because I don’t pay a large amount of attention to what goes on within the state at the Youth level (and barely know what goes on at the HS level here)…

A two-and-a-half hour drive away. Bear in mind Tarleton is in the absolute middle of nowhere.

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