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Interesting… we called it the Oklahoma. Apparently, it’s an equal opportunity ride

I agree. I was a bit confused because the wording made it seem like it would be grasping with the hand, but CP mentioned you can’t sit on the ankle… I thought that would mean you can’t hook with your leg.

Wow! Great changes overall! This will be great for the sport. My only question is are they doing a 5 count for simply hooking the ankle/leg with your leg on top? I think that would be a little unfair to call that stalling but not if have a leg in… leg in is much move controlling and hard to get out of.

At first I read this and was like oh he’s listing all the national champs (slight chuckle in my head). Then, I was like, wait… why is Haines on there?! Took me second and then I literally LOLed! Well done.

Not sure if I’d believe that, but even if it were true, Gilman has been training freestyle full time and has really improved and is proven at the senior level. Lee has wrestled freestyle like one time in the last six years. I’m still very hopeful for Lee because it was his best style and he is an absolute beast, but it’s a tall ask for him to beat one of the top guys in the world with such little training and questionable health.

Yeah I could definitely see Lee winning the open, but beating Gilman is a different story. I don’t see it happening but I’ve been wrong before and it will be fun to see.

Agree and I’ll add that freestyle doesn’t require quite as much cardio with shorter matches and no overtime so that’s to his advantage as well.

I’m excited to finally see him compete in freestyle again. I think he will do well and maybe even win it. He’s in a tough spot with all of his critics though. If he doesn’t do well he will get criticized for that, and if he does do well he will be criticized because he’s “not injured enough” to have taken the MFF

Wow! I did not see that coming. Awesome news!

Idk about that for sure. The 2023 US open has pretty big implications for his main goal of an Olympic gold. It seemed like he is planning to compete but not sure if he is ready yet. If he’s even somewhat healthy, I think he will give it a go

Haha true… but I meant more along the lines as the prestigious traditional program. Although, if there were ever a time to try to surpass OSU in that regard it may be now. Especially if OSU decides to hang on to John Smith until he decides to retires. I have a ton of respect for Smith and he is an all time great coach… just think its hard for someone his age to stay connected. So maybe OU should go all in and make big hire?

Seems like a forced resignation to me. Honestly, not sure if they will ever be able to get back to the powerhouse they once were no matter who they hire. I think Lou and Cody were both great coaches. Just not enough talent in Oklahoma to be spread between two top programs. Unless they really go big and get someone that will vault them above Okie State, I suspect they will see similar success out of the next coach.

This is exactly why Taylor was a better college wrestler than Dake

I think Rosholt was 197 for at least one or two of his titles. I’d put him at 197 over Ferrari. I’m not sure who you put in at 184 then?

It’s a hypothetical situation of putting athletes in their peak form in a different time period. I don’t think it would work they way you are saying (of course we will never know). My point is if Jim Peters was in his prime now, he’d probably be pushing the 2 hour mark. If Eluid was running in the 50s he probably be only slightly ahead of Peters.

I have not heard of him (don’t follow the sport), but if you were putting him on a list of All-time great marathon runners, wouldn’t you have him up near the top behind the current world record holder? Or would you say he is behind guys that never set a world record but can run one in a faster time than he can?

Fair point, but you are only looking at national champs. Iowa has had a lot of great wrestlers in those weights in the last 10 years. Penn state has had the gaping hole at 125 for a few years which is what makes this sentiment come to mind. In other words, Penn state wins 133 and 141 in close matches and Iowa wins 125 by landslide. So yeah it’s debatable who is actually better in those weights.

I agree with the sentiment that you can’t give extra credit to the more “modern” wrestlers because of technical advances in the sport. Iowa was dominant and innovative under Gable and they would find a way to have the same success today. That said I still favor Penn State at 157 and up. I think Iowa wins 149 and under. Interesting how it is split because Iowa still seems to be producing better in the lightweights and Penn State is dominating middle and upper weights.

I think an Olympic medal would make him much more marketable. Unfortunately though, a world medal would not add as much marketability as it should. There’s a better fan base for NCAA wrestling and there’s a very short list of 4 timers. I think that’s his ticket

Fair point but I don’t think we should ignore big problems in our sport (like OOB stalling) because the solution might create a smaller problem. I think you would be surprised at how well the bottom wrestlers adjust to that tactic. They will find a way to stay in bounds if they are the better wrestler. If it does somehow become a bigger issue, we can find ways to address it such as saying zone to the top man and calling him for passivity if he doesn’t circle in. IMO, we are doing a disservice to the sport if we are afraid of every little consequence of change that we never grow and evolve

My 2 cents on the other rules. 1. Headgear optional - totally makes sense for the college. 90% of guys have cauliflower ear anyway and (whether you like it or not) it’s a badge of honor for many. I don’t think it should be optional for high school because they aren’t ready to make those decisions, but if a college wrestler wants his ears messed up the rest of his life, who are we to stop him. 2. MFF is a loss. Easy choice. If it has a chance to cut down on the MFF even a little, it’s worth it. 3. Reducing scoring for consi bracket - depends on how they are doing it. See previous post. 4. Offensive wrestler must work for a fall - Please do this and enforce it correctly! It’s one of the biggest issues with college wrestling right now 5. Step out - Yes! Every fear everyone has about this rule has been squashed by the huge success it has been in freestyle. No more objective OBB stalling calls (they are all over the place), and more action in the center. Just do it and you won’t regret it.

This. It’s actually 5 times as much I believe (.5 advancement +2 for fall). So even on the top side, it’s 3x as much for a fall. I’m all for encouraging bonus points, but it’s just not a good system for determining the better wrestler. A guy could go 1-2 and earn 3 points and a guy could go 4-2 and earn 2 points. In a dual meet, a fall is worth double a decision… I think that’s about right. So if they are adjusting bonus points for consolation rounds, I do think that would be good.

Yeah I get that… I just think they both need to be on the list. He has Gable (142 which would be more like 149) at 141 so I think it’s fair to put 177 at 174 for this one.

True but Rohn’s pin was epic as well. I say slot Schultz and Banach at 174 (that’s closer to the actual weight of 177 anyway) and keep Rohn in at 184.

Great job living up to your name [emoji3]