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Wow that’s an impressive cut. I wouldn’t have guessed that

Neither of us know exactly how much Lee was cutting, I was going by the eye test and so are you. However, if he was cutting “as bad as anyone you have ever seen”, and still managed to make weight and pin/tech his way through the world championships, isn’t that even more of a testament to how good he really is? You are picking out one stat that 50kg results don’t translate. I don’t have time to look that up so I’ll have to trust you on it. If you’ve got the time, can you check the stats on how well 3x age level champs do at the next level? Or maybe how well guys that pinned/teched their way through twice do? Or maybe how well 4x Ncaa champs do? Getting ahead of myself with that one, but you get my point. They guys talent is undeniable, but I guess you can keep denying if you want. I’m done trying to prove that point.

I agree with that point and I wish Lee had gone more of the Snyder route. I think if he could’ve stayed healthy, he would be on course to be an all time great, but things did not work out that way, and he is clearly not anywhere near an all time great as far as international accolades. However, I think it’s fair to recognize he has that same talent. To discredit his age level world titles because they were at the lightest weight is just not fair. I’m sure 50kg for 15-16 year olds is not nearly as rare as 57kg for full grown men, and we don’t discredit 57kg seniors, do we? He is a small guy dominating other guys his size. He won three age level world titles teching and pinning everyone in all three tournaments except for one finals opponent. Think about that! Also, I believe he wanted to challenge himself and wrestle up to try to grow into a senior weight class when he lost to Fix at 54kg. I would bet Fix cut more to get to 54 than Lee did to get to 50. In other words, Lee totally dominated everyone his own size, and lost a super close best of 3 when he went up 8% of his body weight to face Fix - a world medalist at every age level.

I was a little taken back when Brands compared him to the Russian greats as well. Clearly, he has no where near the accomplishments. However, I guess he was referring to the talent that he sees in him. Lee was dominating international competition too at age level, so he certainly has that capability. He just sacrificed his body for NCAA wrestling, so unfortunately we never got to see it.

He didn’t say everyone at 57 is a punk. He said there isn’t a “big bad” there. Compare the top guys at 57 to the top guys at the other Olympic weights, and I think you will see his point.

Interview is on Flo. He says he is considering his heroes from when he was young, the current crop of our senior guys winning world/Olympic titles, and even the Russian all time greats. He says it isn’t an overstatement, but what are your thoughts? I feel like we still haven’t gotten to see the best version of Spencer Lee yet (or maybe we are just starting to see it). I mean the guy just came off of double knee surgery and is pinning the 2nd and 3rd ranked wrestlers in the country! So maybe it isn’t too much of a stretch, or is Brands just hyping his guy?

Are we allowed to Google what the Sullivan award is?

We started calling it quadpod like ten years ago for that reason. The whole program uses it now and I feel like I hear other people use it too. It definitely rolls off the tongue nicely… even rhymes so it’s easy to remember. Just start using it and you won’t regret it

Yes, I saw Gable Stevenson, Reece Humphries, and Logan Steiber all do this at states. Carl Sanderson saw it too and tried to recruit them.

If he has to default in the NCAA finals, then there is a small chance he could still win the hodge. If he takes a loss before NCAAs then breezes through the tournament, there is a small chance. If he straight up losses at NCAAs there is zero chance

I think you are pretty accurate with what you hear coaches say with one small exception. I think the last line should be “we just wanna see him get to his shots more”. I think this subtle difference makes all the difference in the world. Wrestling more aggressively being more confident, and not being afraid to pull the trigger on a shot is almost always better, but it doesn’t always mean a higher number of shots. It may mean more aggressive hand fighting, more chain wrestling, and zero hesitation when the shot finally opens up. This is what the coaches want to see

Yes I agree. Depending on who PSU sends, one team would be a slight favorite but winnable either way. I guess that’s why I consider it a toss up but maybe “swing match” would be better term. I’m pretty confident we see Haines. If they were sure of keeping his redshirt, they would’ve save one match for Iowa. I think this weekend was part of the evaluation process and Haines showed a clear separation.

There’s basically 4 toss ups in this dual, 149, 157, 165, and 285. Iowa has to win 3 out 4… possible but it’s a tall order. IF PSU does send Haines, I think he is the favorite. So then Iowa would need to win 3 out of 3 tossups or find an upset somewhere. Maybe 197?

Yeah there’s some days I think his schtick gets old, but I have to admit I missed him when he left the old forum.

^just missed that video with my previous post. Definitely close but I like the no call of the pin. Hard to tell from the angle but looks like his far shoulder was probably up.

I do agree there’s a debate about whether it could have been a defensive fall or not. Right or wrong, I personally like the idea of making absolutely sure the guy is flat for at least a full second before you call a defensive fall. From this video, it doesn’t look like the ref had an opportunity to do that. However, there is that one instant where the video cuts out where he could’ve been flat at that time. So if you saw it live (I did not), maybe it looked worse. Regardless, the only scoring option there is 4-1 NW or call the pin for IL

Nor do I. The right thing and the common thing are rarely the same thing. Hey, maybe that phrase will catch on

Of course. It’s fine to make those comparisons… he chose to go D1, that’s who he wants to be compared against. However, when someone says he sucks or he’s a terrible wrestler, it is a not an accurate statement. An accurate critique comparing him to the other 125s in the B1G is that he’s a very good wrestler struggling against the best wrestlers.

Did I miss something? It looks like a very clear 4 and 1

It drives me nuts when people criticize and act like he is terrible wrestler when he is better than 99% of the people criticizing him! Yeah he is undersized and struggling against the top D1 wrestlers but I’m sure the critics would struggle against that kind of competition too

2/10

Generally, I agree. However, there’s a big difference between simply making predictions and flooding the forum with homerific nonsense. There were a few Penn state fans on the old forum that did this and even just having one or two fans doing this made me want to route against them. Now @jajensen09 is doing that for Nebraska

“I swear it upon Zeus an outstanding runner cannot be the equal of an average wrestler.” — Socrates Come on, @SocraTease , I had to post that for you :)

If duals actually mattered, we would probably get to see this. But they don’t, so we won’t :(

Well, I wouldn’t say everyone said that. Maybe some people thought that, but I sure didn’t. Most people in PA thought Lee would have tremendous success in college and he has certainly lived up to those expectations. I was just making the point that crazy things can happen. I think every single person in the state except Austin DeSanto thought Lee would win his 4th state title in HS. So I am rooting for Lee to win his 4th title this year and I think he will, but it’s premature to count it. Of course Jimmy knows that too, but here we are taking the bait lol