Which top team has depended most on the portal this year?

[1032004]

I feel like there’s less dependence on the portal this year than previously.

# of transfers in starting lineup, unless I missed any:

PSU: 2

tOSU: 1

OK State: 4 (interestingly, of their 10 starters counting Forrest, they have 22 total losses, and transfers have 17 of them)

Iowa: 4 (was 5)

Minnesota: 2

ISU: 5

Nebraska: 2

VT: 3

NC State: 2

Michigan: 3

 

I guess Dresser is this year’s “most valuable purchaser”

 

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

Over the last 5 years I think Iowa has had the most transfer starters by far of any top D-1 team.  Definitely a conscious effort to use NIL bucks to get transfers rather than develop homegrown talent.  Until this year it has worked well for them.

 

[Maxwell Smart]

Worked well for them? Worked well for the transfers? Don't agree.

[11986]

18 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I feel like there’s less dependence on the portal this year than previously.

# of transfers in starting lineup, unless I missed any:

PSU: 2

tOSU: 1

OK State: 4 (interestingly, of their 10 starters counting Forrest, they have 22 total losses, and transfers have 17 of them)

Iowa: 4 (was 5)

Minnesota: 2

ISU: 5

Nebraska: 2

VT: 3

NC State: 2

Michigan: 3

 

I guess Dresser is this year’s “most valuable purchaser”

 

tOSU has 2 - Stiles and Fishback

[1032004]

5 minutes ago, 11986 said:

tOSU has 2 - Stiles and Fishback

Whoops, you are correct 

[mr.nonothingatall]

If u are factoring the last few years Michigan would beat Iowa for that. 

[Antitroll2828]

Not a top team obviously but Rider has 7 transfers starting for them , mostly bc all the top guys got poached by bigger conferences. Still 7 guys isn’t bad for a school with 0 resources that looks like they wrestle in a cafeteria 

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, mr.nonothingatall said:

If u are factoring the last few years Michigan would beat Iowa for that. 

Wouldn't hey have really?  Numbers on that?

[mr.nonothingatall]

18 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Wouldn't hey have really?  Numbers on that?

In the last 5 years they are tied with 13 each

Edited February 3 by mr.nonothingatall

[Caveira]

Just think psu would have 2 ncaa title contender transfers and 1 high AA contender if nagao didn’t get hew

[RandolphTJones]

Michigan might have the most off the top of my head. Don't think most have panned out. Development of talent has been lacking. 

[Spladle]

26 minutes ago, Coastal said:

Penn State should score the most NCAA points from transfers as they are looking at Mesenbrink winning and Welsh top 4 at worst.

The race for second with transfers should be good though with Iowa State having the volume of potential podium finishers but no one other than Elam with a realistic shot at the finals.

Bastida does not have a realistic shot at the finals? 
 

I’d also argue that Echemendia has a shot at the finals, he’d obviously have to be opposite of Mendez for that to happen. 

Edited February 3 by Spladle

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

16 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Just think psu would have 2 ncaa title contender transfers and 1 high AA contender if nagao didn’t get hew

HEF

Had Enough Fun

[Spladle]

1 minute ago, Coastal said:

Bastida isn't a transfer that I'm aware of.

It helps if I actually read what you wrote. 
 

I still believe Ech is a potential finalist (if you count him as a transfer). 
 

Mendez is a near lock but I believe you could see any of Vega, Hardy, Ech, Stanich, etc opposite of him. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

48 minutes ago, Coastal said:

I wouldn't be stunned if Ech made the finals but I would be slightly surprised.  And Ech definitely counts as a transfer.  Kerkvliet counted as a transfer and he never wrestled at another school.

 

... because he transferred

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 minutes ago, Coastal said:

Exactly.   I was using him as an example of someone that counts as a transfer in reference to Ech counting as a transfer.

Perhaps reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Oh, but it is.

You brought up a guy who had nothing to do with the situation who had transferred, and hinted maybe he shouldn't count as a transfer.  Not only is my reading comprehension in the top 1%, but it also allows me to read between the lines.

Edited February 3 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[1032004]

40 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Oh, but it is.

You brought up a guy who had nothing to do with the situation who had transferred, and hinted maybe he shouldn't count as a transfer.  Not only is my reading comprehension in the top 1%, but it also allows me to read between the lines.

There were numerous PSU fans that tried claiming Kerk shouldn’t count as a transfer

[MidwestMan]

Mizzou has 3, if #17 counts as bottom of the top.

[Nak21]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

There were numerous PSU fans that tried claiming Kerk shouldn’t count as a transfer

I don’t recall much discussion of Kerk not being a transfer from the fan base. But doesn’t matter, he’s already graduated and gone. 
I think when we get talking “the portal” in pejorative terms - hired guns, bags of money, 1yr mercenaries etc - we think some of the recent 1yr fill ins and maybe not the kids who come for multiple years at the new school.  
That’s the way I look at it. It’s all the portal and they’re all transfers but I look at say a Kerk (followed Snyder, never wrestled at tOSU), MM (2 matches at Cal Baptist during a RS yr, he’s gonna end up a 4yr PSU starter), Caliendo (gonna end up being 3 yrs at Iowa) differently than I look at guys like a Parco, Teemer, Buchanan, Truax, etc. The 1yr fill ins - whether it’s to fill a hole in the lineup or improve over the current starter.

Regardless, it’s the new way of the world - portal, NIL, revenue sharing coming. The wild Wild West is here, like it or not. We ain’t putting this genie back in the bottle.

[Caveira]

52 minutes ago, Nak21 said:

I don’t recall much discussion of Kerk not being a transfer from the fan base. But doesn’t matter, he’s already graduated and gone. 
I think when we get talking “the portal” in pejorative terms - hired guns, bags of money, 1yr mercenaries etc - we think some of the recent 1yr fill ins and maybe not the kids who come for multiple years at the new school.  
That’s the way I look at it. It’s all the portal and they’re all transfers but I look at say a Kerk (followed Snyder, never wrestled at tOSU), MM (2 matches at Cal Baptist during a RS yr, he’s gonna end up a 4yr PSU starter), Caliendo (gonna end up being 3 yrs at Iowa) differently than I look at guys like a Parco, Teemer, Buchanan, Truax, etc. The 1yr fill ins - whether it’s to fill a hole in the lineup or improve over the current starter.

Regardless, it’s the new way of the world - portal, NIL, revenue sharing coming. The wild Wild West is here, like it or not. We ain’t putting this genie back in the bottle.

Several on here said kerk and mm don’t count as transfers.   I bumped a few of them.  The blue glasses can change your view if you wear long enough 

Edited February 3 by Caveira

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, Nak21 said:

I don’t recall much discussion of Kerk not being a transfer from the fan base.

Kerk wasn't the portal, was he (pre-portal)?

Also, he followed his training partner (Snyder).

Also, also, wasn't he Christian Carrol before Christian Carrol was Christian Carrol? 6 or 7 schools before he competed?

Edited February 3 by nhs67

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Kerk wasn't the portal, was he (pre-portal)?

Also, he followed his training partner (Snyder).

Also, also, wasn't he Christian Carrol before Christian Carrol was Christian Carrol? 6 or 7 schools before he competed?

He still transferred and entered the portal 

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6606848-greg-kerkvliet-to-transfer-to-penn-state

 

Greg Kerkvliet To Transfer To Penn State

The #1 recruit in the class of 2019, Greg Kerkvliet, has announced he will transfer to Penn State.

Dec 5, 2019 by Kyle Bratke

BREAKING: Greg Kerkvliet Has Entered The Transfer Portal

FloWrestling has confirmed that Greg Kerkvliet has entered the transfer portal and will transfer out of Ohio State.

Nov 1, 2019 by Andrew Spey

 

 

 

Edited February 3 by Caveira

[nhs67]

Just now, Caveira said:

He still transferred 

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6606848-greg-kerkvliet-to-transfer-to-penn-state

 

Greg Kerkvliet To Transfer To Penn State

The #1 recruit in the class of 2019, Greg Kerkvliet, has announced he will transfer to Penn State.

Dec 5, 2019 by Kyle Bratke

 

BREAKING: Greg Kerkvliet Has Entered The Transfer Portal

FloWrestling has confirmed that Greg Kerkvliet has entered the transfer portal and will transfer out of Ohio State.

Nov 1, 2019 by Andrew Spey

 

 

 

I never said he didn't transfer.  I said he was pre-portal, which is what this thread is about I thought. 

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

I never said he didn't transfer.  I said he was pre-portal, which is what this thread is about I thought. 

The flo article said he entered the portal 

[Nak21]

9 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Kerk wasn't the portal, was he (pre-portal)?

Also, he followed his training partner (Snyder).

Also, also, wasn't he Christian Carrol before Christian Carrol was Christian Carrol? 6 or 7 schools before he competed?

Kerk was definitely a transfer. I can’t remember if he was pre portal days or early portal days. And yes I recall he committed to many a school before he actually enrolled in one and then transferred to another. 
I have no issue with the portal, kids should be able to change schools like coaches can at the drop of a hat. Fair is fair.
But I do think not all transfers are created equal. I don’t look at a 1yr mercenary the same way I do a kid who found a better fit and ended being somewhere 3-4 yrs (5 in Kerks case due to the COVID year) after being somewhere first for a hot minute.