MD152 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 41 minutes ago, happyvalet said: 2-1 and the last match was like two years ago. I wonder if anything's happened since then I think Blaze won like 9-4 at the Clarion open and 8-1 at senior nationals
happyvalet Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, MD152 said: I think Blaze won like 9-4 at the Clarion open and 8-1 at senior nationals Two years ago and you're ignoring their third match that Jax won. What happened this summer? Jax teched the guy that pinned Blaze
scorenomore Posted January 13 Posted January 13 As a buckeye fan I want blaze and forest to be either 1&4 or the 2&3. We need a lot of bad draws to have a shot.
MD152 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 51 minutes ago, happyvalet said: Two years ago and you're ignoring their third match that Jax won. What happened this summer? Jax teched the guy that pinned Blaze 2023 jax lost...... 2024 Jax lost not certain when He beat Blaze H2H...... yes sir Seth pinned him and yes Blaze has wins over Seth as does Forrest, but H2H i do not believe he has a H2H over him, Forrest was up 4-0 at Clarion in 2023 before Blaze came back with 9 straight than in 2024 Blaze won again but this time it wasnot as close 8-1...all the same both are awesome talents and i dont favor one or the other! I really have no issue whatso ever that Forrest placed higher than Blaze, i just dont believe he has ever won H2H over him, to be even more fair DAVINO might be better than both i believe he is 2-1 against Forrest and 1-4 vs Blaze (however he is 1 & 1 in folkstyle)...... 133 is crazy good i will be cheering for good matches no real favorites
ionel Posted January 13 Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, MD152 said: 2023 jax lost...... 2024 Jax lost not certain when He beat Blaze H2H...... yes sir Seth pinned him and yes Blaze has wins over Seth as does Forrest, but H2H i do not believe he has a H2H over him, Forrest was up 4-0 at Clarion in 2023 before Blaze came back with 9 straight than in 2024 Blaze won again but this time it wasnot as close 8-1...all the same both are awesome talents and i dont favor one or the other! I really have no issue whatso ever that Forrest placed higher than Blaze, i just dont believe he has ever won H2H over him, to be even more fair DAVINO might be better than both i believe he is 2-1 against Forrest and 1-4 vs Blaze (however he is 1 & 1 in folkstyle)...... 133 is crazy good i will be cheering for good matches no real favorites Can you do what Forrest did to the OU kid in freestyle? .
PortaJohn Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, happyvalet said: Two years ago and you're ignoring their third match that Jax won. What happened this summer? Jax teched the guy that pinned Blaze Only remember their last 2 matches and Blaze winning both. When was the 3rd? I Don't Agree With What I Posted
happyvalet Posted January 13 Posted January 13 26 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Only remember their last 2 matches and Blaze winning both. When was the 3rd? 42 minutes ago, MD152 said: i just dont believe he has ever won H2H over him Sorry they're actually 2-2 in matches I can find. Jax beat Blaze 10-1 at Super 32 at 120 lbs and Jax beat Blaze 13-4 at Super 32 at 105 lbs. Their most recent h2h was two years ago and at a different weight. This summer they were in the same bracket and at the same weight they're competing in now and Jax dominated.
fishbane Posted January 13 Posted January 13 8 hours ago, RawDog said: Ayala is a two time ncaa finalist and has had a ridiculously tough schedule to start the season. He lost to the returning champ, Davino and two all americans. None of those are terrible losses. He isn't currently 4-4. His next three matches are Blaze, Van Dee, Chris Cannon, and Devino. Then he had MSU and Michigan and finishes the season with the OSU dual. That's potentially two returning AAs plus Blaze, Devino, and Forrest. I think Ayala finishes the season with double digit losses and more losses than the previous three years combined. It crazy how much tougher 133 is this year vs last year.
MD152 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, happyvalet said: Sorry they're actually 2-2 in matches I can find. Jax beat Blaze 10-1 at Super 32 at 120 lbs and Jax beat Blaze 13-4 at Super 32 at 105 lbs. Their most recent h2h was two years ago and at a different weight. This summer they were in the same bracket and at the same weight they're competing in now and Jax dominated. thank you for the get right "happyvalet"... Forrest won in 2020 and 2022 (super 32) Blaze won in 2023 (Clarion open) and 2024 (at the Olympic team trials) now i know!!!
MD152 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 56 minutes ago, fishbane said: He isn't currently 4-4. His next three matches are Blaze, Van Dee, Chris Cannon, and Devino. Then he had MSU and Michigan and finishes the season with the OSU dual. That's potentially two returning AAs plus Blaze, Devino, and Forrest. I think Ayala finishes the season with double digit losses and more losses than the previous three years combined. It crazy how much tougher 133 is this year vs last year. Holy toledo thats unreal!!! and yes your right
happyvalet Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) 13 minutes ago, MD152 said: now i know!!! Good that you don't have to rely on "belief" any more. You can rest easy knowing they're tied head to head and Jax won their most recent shared bracket Edited January 13 by happyvalet
MD152 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, ionel said: Can you do what Forrest did to the OU kid in freestyle? can i "personally" do what he did??? [been there, done that and could probably do it again if i had to, now i just teach wrestlers to do that] do i want too...[heck no my days are long gone it would take me 3 weeks to recover.......... but there was a time] (lol) ps~ I must admit I do however wrestle with my dog (Blue nose pit) and i kick his butt in simialr fashion does that count
MD152 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 14 minutes ago, happyvalet said: Good that you don't have to rely on "belief" any more. You can rest easy knowing they're tied head to head and Jax won their most recent shared bracket most recent shared bracket in folkstlye would have been 2023 at the clarion open correct or am i wrong yet again Clarion open 2023 results: Blaze beat Forrest 9-4 in quarters, than beat Ramos in SV in semi's, than lost too Palmer in final..... (same tourney Forrest took 5th)
happyvalet Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, MD152 said: most recent shared bracket in folkstlye would have been 2023 at the clarion open correct or am i wrong yet again Clarion open 2023 results: Blaze beat Forrest 9-4 in quarters, than beat Ramos in SV in semi's, than lost too Palmer in final..... (same tourney Forrest took 5th) Now only folkstyle counts? Earlier you were touting an old freestyle win... If you think results from two years ago are more meaningful than recent results then you're entitled to hold that opinion
Stillyboy08 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 16 hours ago, RawDog said: I think in the future we might be looking back on this 133 bracket as the toughest bracket of all time. I agree, even though I don’t think Jax will end up pulling his redshirt this weight class is insane. And no one is even talking about Crookham. Can’t wait to see how it all shakes out
headshuck Posted January 13 Posted January 13 If a Blaze starts in a Forrest and no one is there to watch it ... A Byrd will send a message.
MD152 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 7 hours ago, happyvalet said: Now only folkstyle counts? Earlier you were touting an old freestyle win... If you think results from two years ago are more meaningful than recent results then you're entitled to hold that opinion come on my friend lets not bicker you do realize the Clarion open in NOV 2023 wasnt as long ago as you make it seem and it was in FOLKSTYLE their last H2H meeting in FOLKSTYLE and Blaze won 9-4 now 2020 and 2022 was a very long time ago was one of those wins by Forrest in Middle school.... the last meeting they had H2H in FREESTYLE was in 2024 which Blaze won 8-1 never said folkstyle or freestyle only counts, however since we are in FOLKSTYLE SEASON...... but your right FREESTYLE COUNTS, i have done both myself at the highest level, and 1 helped me 10 fold in the other, but i do say they are different otherwise ONO goes untouched for as long as he want too wrestle FOLKSTYLE..... I would have zero issue IF Blaze won in 2020 & 2022 (now that is a really long time ago but a win is a win) and Forrest won the most recent bouts in Freestyle and Folk, but that did not happen, honestly could careless how this played out, they both are very talented and we may only see this matchup a few times in college, I think they will end up in different weight classes for atleast 2 of the 4 years heres my final input on this....... my man Forrest won folkstyle in 2020 thats roughly 72 months ago than again won in 2022 roughly 48 months ago, Blaze won Folkstyle in 2023 (the very end of 2023) so thats roughly 24 months ago than won again in 2024 just 5 months later thats roughly 20 months ago...... lets just say this they both have improved over the last 20 months who's better could careless, supporter of all wrazzlers and my 2 favorites are (Snyder & Nolf)!
alex1fly Posted January 13 Posted January 13 10 hours ago, MD152 said: ps~ I must admit I do however wrestle with my dog (Blue nose pit) and i kick his butt in simialr fashion does that count Yes it does count haha
Gene Mills Fan Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Vega and Forrest working in a room; putting all the 33's and 41's in doom!
MD152 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 18 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said: Vega and Forrest working in a room; putting all the 33's and 41's in doom! would love to be a fly on the wall....or the coach!
Truzzcat Posted January 13 Posted January 13 13 hours ago, MD152 said: 2023 jax lost...... 2024 Jax lost not certain when He beat Blaze H2H...... yes sir Seth pinned him and yes Blaze has wins over Seth as does Forrest, but H2H i do not believe he has a H2H over him, Forrest was up 4-0 at Clarion in 2023 before Blaze came back with 9 straight than in 2024 Blaze won again but this time it wasnot as close 8-1...all the same both are awesome talents and i dont favor one or the other! I really have no issue whatso ever that Forrest placed higher than Blaze, i just dont believe he has ever won H2H over him, to be even more fair DAVINO might be better than both i believe he is 2-1 against Forrest and 1-4 vs Blaze (however he is 1 & 1 in folkstyle)...... 133 is crazy good i will be cheering for good matches no real favorites Jax majored him at super 32 in 2022. Trials was 4-1 with 5 seconds left and Jax tried to go f2b and gave up 4. Clarion open he was leading with less than a minute left. Both were within the margins enough for me to say it's hard to predict the outcome after 2 years of development for both. I think they are 1,2 p4p out of this insane freshman class. I am the personal property of VakAttack
happyvalet Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, MD152 said: come on my friend lets not bicker you do realize the Clarion open in NOV 2023 wasnt as long ago as you make it seem Actually 2+ years is a very long time for a teenager to develop and improve.
wrestlingfan22 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Truzzcat said: Jax majored him at super 32 in 2022. Trials was 4-1 with 5 seconds left and Jax tried to go f2b and gave up 4. Clarion open he was leading with less than a minute left. Both were within the margins enough for me to say it's hard to predict the outcome after 2 years of development for both. I think they are 1,2 p4p out of this insane freshman class. I think the next time they face off it will be very close in reality, but maybe not in the scoreboard. They have such contrasting styles that there could be a lot of action and points scored or a very low scoring match with lots of hand fighting.
neweruser69 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 18 hours ago, happyvalet said: 133 is not a tough pull for Forrest right now. Definitely nothing like Bouzakis at 125 That may be so - but it would look to me like Forrest has the type of frame where he could end up at 165 eventually if he fills out.
Pinnacle Posted January 13 Posted January 13 I would not count anything from 2020. How old were they at that time?
Aidan Gore Garner, North Carolina Class of 2027 Committed to North Carolina State Projected Weight: 157, 165
Will Clanton New York Military Academy, New York Class of 2027 Committed to Mercyhurst Projected Weight: 125
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