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[Caveira]

39 minutes ago, red viking said:

WOW!!

WOW what.   It’s repeatedly been asked for a fair reason 81% of all of the households are on federal aid.   Are they just lazy in your opinion?    It can’t just be well.   Whatever

[Caveira]

59 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Have read up on this ship a bit, and appreciate what you said about it.  Again as usual will preface with if the reporting is true, it is certainly up to some shady stuff, and don't have an issue with the seizure itself.   There are definitely some bigger picture things about it however that raises a lot of questions.   If it has been engaging in nefarious activity for awhile, why are we just now seizing it during this current campaign.   If we can easily commandeer this huge ship with a huge crew, why can we not do the same with little tiny boats (that aren't even headed to the US).  If we can release video showing military personnel, including special ops soldiers, in the midst of conducting their operations to take over this boatwithout risking security or procedures or ops, why can't we release video of a missile hitting a crashed boat for the second time when the reasoning we are given is those very concerns?

As for the legal counsel during the strike, it was stated there was legal counsel present, but the Admiral did not say in his briefing what that counsel was, what advice was given, again if the reporting is true.

I did chuckle at "Monroe/Trump" doctrine however.  

I don’t think the Somalis can operate boats like that.   The hypothesis as to why is in the title of the thread.   

[WrestlingRasta]

41 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I don’t think the Somalis can operate boats like that.   The hypothesis as to why is in the title of the thread.   

I think you are well aware that on the topic of what's going on in Valenzuela, Somali's are not at all part of the topic.  And as you are the king of changing the subject and moving the goal posts, I don't really want to hear about "well the topic of the thread was" as if all the threads on here stay on original topic.

But to humor you, I will respond with.....if what you say were true, how do you explain the history of piracy off of the Somali coast?   Doesn't really fit does it.   Do better, and be a 'serious poster'.  

[WrestlingRasta]

57 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Legitimate questions.  What I’ve heard about the difference in tactics was along the lines of the narco boats being so much faster than a tanker.  And that there is a danger of a helicopter and crew being shot down.  A single rifle can take one down.  Strikes like these are nothing new, other than these are at sea.  Attacking drug cartels from the air have been done since, at least, the 1960s.  They didn’t get near as much attention, though.  
 

Chuckles?  I watched a speech by the woman who won the last Venezuelan presidential election, in which she said Venezuela has already been invaded, that the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, and drug cartels are involved in running Venezuela.  Trump’s intention is to put a stop to influence within this hemisphere. He’s said Columbia could be next. 

I question if that is Trump's true intention, or at least true top priority,  because I ask if it were, why would Columbia not be ahead of Valenzuela in that regard as opposed to after.   The drug issue is much bigger with Columbia, their country, and their cartels, than Valenzuela.   But there is in fact an export that Valenzuela has much more of than Columbia.....

Strikes on the ground even when dealing with actual terrorists differ than strikes at sea, and as such so do the rules of engagement.  Then there's the whole debate of actually terrorists vs drug runners, and actual armed conflict vs 'law enforcement'.   Have any of these 80 people killed or their partners taken up arms against us....or are they, at most, running drugs? (some of which has been admitted not even heading to the United States). 

[Caveira]

10 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I think you are well aware that on the topic of what's going on in Valenzuela, Somali's are not at all part of the topic.  And as you are the king of changing the subject and moving the goal posts, I don't really want to hear about "well the topic of the thread was" as if all the threads on here stay on original topic.

But to humor you, I will respond with.....if what you say were true, how do you explain the history of piracy off of the Somali coast?   Doesn't really fit does it.   Do better, and be a 'serious poster'.  

These aren’t exactly high end drug runner speed boats boss.   Have you seen the Netflix shows narcos?   They spare no expense for this sort of thing.  
 

 

 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

17 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I question if that is Trump's true intention, or at least true top priority,  because I ask if it were, why would Columbia not be ahead of Valenzuela in that regard as opposed to after.   The drug issue is much bigger with Columbia, their country, and their cartels, than Valenzuela.   But there is in fact an export that Valenzuela has much more of than Columbia.....

Strikes on the ground even when dealing with actual terrorists differ than strikes at sea, and as such so do the rules of engagement.  Then there's the whole debate of actually terrorists vs drug runners, and actual armed conflict vs 'law enforcement'.   Have any of these 80 people killed or their partners taken up arms against us....or are they, at most, running drugs? (some of which has been admitted not even heading to the United States). 

This post makes me think of 1970s MLB pitchers.

Edited December 12, 2025 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Offthemat]

19 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

But there is in fact an export that Valenzuela has much more of than Columbia.....

Yep, and the beneficiaries of that are Maduro, the cartels, Russia, China, and Iran.

 

22 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Strikes on the ground even when dealing with actual terrorists differ than strikes at sea, and as such so do the rules of engagement.

Like no women and children being involved?

 

24 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Have any of these 80 people killed or their partners taken up arms against us....

Apparently the authorization is there, just as it was in the previous land strikes. 

[WrestlingRasta]

17 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Yep, and the beneficiaries of that are Maduro, the cartels, Russia, China, and Iran.

But this is supposedly about drugs, not oil.  And drugs from Columbia in the US is an exponentially bigger issue than drugs from Valenzuela.  So if it's truly about drugs entering the US, why would Columbia be lesser a priority, why would he not be going after them first (and why would he pardon someone convicted of trafficking 400 tons of drugs, along with illegal weapons, into the US)?

 

Like no women and children being involved?

Much more than that.

 

Apparently the authorization is there, just as it was in the previous land strikes. 

The debate and investigations are not about the strikes being authorized, obviously they were authorized.  It is the legality of them that is in question.  The law does not begin and end with "Trump said".

Responses above.   Have a great weekend all.  25 teams await us on the other side of the state.  GO SHARKS!!

[Offthemat]

7 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

And drugs from Columbia in the US is an exponentially bigger issue than drugs from Valenzuela.

I don’t know that drugs are not being transported from Columbia through Venezuela and onto the boats. 

 

10 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

The debate and investigations are not about the strikes being authorized, obviously they were authorized.  It is the legality of them that is in quest

Like I said, strikes on Latin American cartels didn’t get much attention until Trump was the President.  I guess I just don’t share your concern for narcoterrorists. 

[Caveira]

32 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Responses above.   Have a great weekend all.  25 teams await us on the other side of the state.  GO SHARKS!!

Doesn’t seem like a new idea 

 

[WrestlingRasta]

17 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

I don’t know that drugs are not being transported from Columbia through Venezuela and onto the boats. 

 

Like I said, strikes on Latin American cartels didn’t get much attention until Trump was the President.  I guess I just don’t share your concern for narcoterrorists. 

I have zero concern for these “narco-terrorists”, aka small time drug runners, and in fact would like to see them dealt with….appropriately. 
 

What I do have a major concern for the United States of America, the greatest country in the world, and who we are and what we stand for.  I guess I don’t share your ideals of Trump’s values over true United States of America’s values, or your idea that the world is whatever Trump says it is. 

[Caveira]

We fixing to do this?   Parlez-vous francais?

   

[fishbane]

14 hours ago, mspart said:

Do you realize how ridiculous this statement of yours is.   89% of families with kids were on welfare where ONLY 81% of overall households were on welfare.   

What an utterly ridiculous statement to make.   Both are serious problems.   Both need to be corrected.   That's more than 8 out of 10 household on welfare.  That's Crazy!   How would we all survive if that was the case across the board?  80% getting a ride with 20% footing the bill.   And how long would that last?   No society can work like that.   80% not contributing.   No that doesn't compute.  

mspart

I don’t think it is ridiculous to adjust a number that is off by ~10%.  Absolutely if the entire population were split with either 81% or 89% not paying taxes and not working, whilst receiving aid with only 19% or 11% working and paying taxes it would be unsustainable. 

These numbers aren’t for the larger population, but rather a group that is mostly refugees.  If a country takes refugees from a war zone in a country where the average household net worth is under $2000 USD then they are going to have to provided some financial assistance. The expectation should be that nearly 100% receive aid initially which decreases over time.  If would be unrealistic to think that they would arrive here and instantly only receive aid at the rate of the US population at large ~1/3.

The bigger exaggeration Caveira made was in time which I also corrected.  He said something along the lines of 8x% still receiving assistance/unassimilated after 35 years. This was based on the Battle of Mogadishu being “in the 1990s” and then taking the maximum time someone who arrived in the 1990s could have been in MN.  This was a much more egregious error.  The Battle of Mogadishu was in late 1993 so he assigned an arrival date before that event to essentially all Somali’s in MN.  Almost no Somalis were in MN in 1990 and 2/3 of them arrived within the past 20 year.

[El Luchador]

14 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I have zero concern for these “narco-terrorists”, aka small time drug runners, and in fact would like to see them dealt with….appropriately. 
 

What I do have a major concern for the United States of America, the greatest country in the world, and who we are and what we stand for.  I guess I don’t share your ideals of Trump’s values over true United States of America’s values, or your idea that the world is whatever Trump says it is. 

They most certainly are not small time. 

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, fishbane said:

I don’t think it is ridiculous to adjust a number that is off by ~10%.  Absolutely if the entire population were split with either 81% or 89% not paying taxes and not working, whilst receiving aid with only 19% or 11% working and paying taxes it would be unsustainable. 

These numbers aren’t for the larger population, but rather a group that is mostly refugees.  If a country takes refugees from a war zone in a country where the average household net worth is under $2000 USD then they are going to have to provided some financial assistance. The expectation should be that nearly 100% receive aid initially which decreases over time.  If would be unrealistic to think that they would arrive here and instantly only receive aid at the rate of the US population at large ~1/3.

The bigger exaggeration Caveira made was in time which I also corrected.  He said something along the lines of 8x% still receiving assistance/unassimilated after 35 years. This was based on the Battle of Mogadishu being “in the 1990s” and then taking the maximum time someone who arrived in the 1990s could have been in MN.  This was a much more egregious error.  The Battle of Mogadishu was in late 1993 so he assigned an arrival date before that event to essentially all Somali’s in MN.  Almost no Somalis were in MN in 1990 and 2/3 of them arrived within the past 20 year.

We started resettling Somalis in Minnesota as refugees in the early 1990s, with the major influx beginning around 

1992-1993, following Somalia's civil war, with many initially finding work in meat-packing plants in smaller towns like Marshall before expanding to the Twin Cities. This built on earlier small waves of Somali immigration and was facilitated by established refugee agencies.

[fishbane]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 

We started resettling Somalis in Minnesota as refugees in the early 1990s, with the major influx beginning around 

1992-1993, following Somalia's civil war, with many initially finding work in meat-packing plants in smaller towns like Marshall before expanding to the Twin Cities. This built on earlier small waves of Somali immigration and was facilitated by established refugee agencies.

You are taking the entire population of Somalis in MN and assigning them an arrival date at the _beginning_ of the major influx.  This is deceptive.  Nearly all Somali’s in Minnesota have been there less time than this.  Most have been these less than 20 years.  See the chart from the CIS report.

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, fishbane said:

You are taking the entire population of Somalis in MN and assigning them an arrival date at the _beginning_ of the major influx.  This is deceptive.  Nearly all Somali’s in Minnesota have been there less time than this.  Most have been these less than 20 years.  See the chart from the CIS report.

You understand what.   We started importing Somalia’s in the 90s means right?  

[El Luchador]

2 minutes ago, fishbane said:

You are taking the entire population of Somalis in MN and assigning them an arrival date at the _beginning_ of the major influx.  This is deceptive.  Nearly all Somali’s in Minnesota have been there less time than this.  Most have been these less than 20 years.  See the chart from the CIS report.

One little phenomenon you're missing is that many come here multiple times under different names to collect benefits that expire or as two different persons.  It was suggested that we finger print them, but our great Democrat leaders felt this was an unreasonable requirement to get the American tax payers to support them. 

[fishbane]

19 hours ago, El Luchador said:

I absolutely guarantee if you time traveled a group of people from 1900 into today, they would not only not struggle, they would thrive. Within weeks they would surpass immigrant groups in self sufficiency.  Both of my grandfathers were born in the early 1900s. One was educated to 8th grade the other 6th. One was a farmer the other a machinist and then carpenter. He manually machined aircraft parts for Aurora aircraft. You likely couldn't staff 1 major manufacturer in America today with capable manual machinists. I was a manual mill and lathe operator in my earlier days. I couldn't imagine doing my job without a calculator yet alone a digital readout. They were amazing and skilled. 

That would be an impressive group of time travelers.  To keep the analogy relevant we wouldn’t put them in modern day Minneapolis. We have to put them in a similar location but where they don’t speak the language.  It would be impressive if they learned the language “within weeks” it might also be unrealistic.  
 

Machinist grandfather might not be able to find a work as a manual machinist especially when he doesn’t know the language so reading blueprints and other documentation will be a challenge.  Also most employers will be doing computer controlled machining and looking for CNC machinists.  Opportunities for manual machinists will be far fewer.  
 

Farmer grandfather would have been time traveled from a war zone and arrived with no money.  So he neither owns land to farm nor possess money to buy land.  He can get employment on a farm but not speaking the language and being unfamiliar with the modern equipment used on the farm it is likely to be a laborer position.

[red viking]

1 minute ago, fishbane said:

That would be an impressive group of time travelers.  To keep the analogy relevant we wouldn’t put them in modern day Minneapolis. We have to put them in a similar location but where they don’t speak the language.  It would be impressive if they learned the language “within weeks” it might also be unrealistic.  
 

Machinist grandfather might not be able to find a work as a manual machinist especially when he doesn’t know the language so reading blueprints and other documentation will be a challenge.  Also most employers will be doing computer controlled machining and looking for CNC machinists.  Opportunities for manual machinists will be far fewer.  
 

Farmer grandfather would have been time traveled from a war zone and arrived with no money.  So he neither owns land to farm nor possess money to buy land.  He can get employment on a farm but not speaking the language and being unfamiliar with the modern equipment used on the farm it is likely to be a laborer position.

Yup. They'd likely get on government benefits. If they didn't do something illegal first. 

[Offthemat]

50 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I guess I don’t share your ideals of Trump’s values over true United States of America’s values, or your idea that the world is whatever Trump says it is. 

What Trump’s administration is doing isn’t much different than other administrations did.  It’s just getting more attention.  

[fishbane]

25 minutes ago, Caveira said:

You understand what.   We started importing Somalia’s in the 90s means right?  

Yes, do you?

[El Luchador]

7 minutes ago, fishbane said:

That would be an impressive group of time travelers.  To keep the analogy relevant we wouldn’t put them in modern day Minneapolis. We have to put them in a similar location but where they don’t speak the language.  It would be impressive if they learned the language “within weeks” it might also be unrealistic.  
 

Machinist grandfather might not be able to find a work as a manual machinist especially when he doesn’t know the language so reading blueprints and other documentation will be a challenge.  Also most employers will be doing computer controlled machining and looking for CNC machinists.  Opportunities for manual machinists will be far fewer.  
 

Farmer grandfather would have been time traveled from a war zone and arrived with no money.  So he neither owns land to farm nor possess money to buy land.  He can get employment on a farm but not speaking the language and being unfamiliar with the modern equipment used on the farm it is likely to be a laborer position.

Oh, changing the criteria I see. Both my grandparents spoke English as a second language, so I already know how that would turn out. My mother who never had electricity until she left home also grew up speaking German as her primary language. 11 kids in her family all conversing in German. My other grandfather spoke 3 languages with his limited education. 

[Caveira]

12 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Yes, do you?

Sure do.  Still dodging the question though.  Why are 81% not assimilating and still on perpetual never ending aid. 

[fishbane]

12 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Sure do.  Still dodging the question though.  Why are 81% not assimilating and still on perpetual never ending aid. 

You didn’t ask a question.  I already addressed this topic early when you actually asked it.  As far as aid I told you the answer was likely more complex than either of the potential answers you had provided which were low IQ and lazy, but that I didn’t not know the answer.  That is not dodging.

Assimilating takes time so misrepresenting the timeline is significant.  Immigrants often live in neighborhoods with other immigrants from the same country and learn English imperfectly or sometimes not at all.  This is why so many cities have neighborhoods named things like Chinatown, Koreatown, Little Italy, Greektown, etc.  Its when their children go to American schools where the assimilation really starts to take off.  The grandchildren you couldn’t tell apart from other Americans.