It just keeps getting weirder with Steveson

[MPhillips]

19 minutes ago, ionel said:

... and here I thought he was just a snowplow  

You spend a bit too much time in the deplorable forum...

[ionel]

1 minute ago, MPhillips said:

You spend a bit too much time in the deplorable forum...

Well sure ... but why did you drag GWN over to the International forum?  We miss him in the DF.  

[MPhillips]

13 minutes ago, ionel said:

We miss him in the DF.

Just don't bring Jimmy over here...

[Hammerlock3]

god i forgot del fino.....its a real indictment of jimmy's lifestyle. 

[ionel]

49 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

You spend a bit too much time in the deplorable forum...

It worries me that you know this.  

[GrandOlm]

On 9/27/2025 at 12:10 AM, GreatWhiteNorth said:

It's only weird if you don't have the variety and level of skills Gable has.

When you could be successful at multiple professional sports. It becomes a difficult choice.

A difficult choice that neither you, nor most of the population, can imagine having to make..

I count one professional sport that he could be successful at, MMA. And MMA is a newcomer  that utilizes a prizefighting as its model (similar to boxing). It naturally recruits from wrestlers and outside the MMA family . 

What other professional sports could he be succesfull at? I can't think of any? I don't think he has the personality and fame to do what the Paul brother did in boxing. Wrestling isn't a true professional sport (by some definitions).  

[MPhillips]

3 hours ago, ionel said:

It worries me that you know this.  

Be flattered...

[ionel]

7 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Be flattered...

... always. 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

8 hours ago, SocraTease said:

It's clear your trajectory has been a humorless one since you cannot detect even the most unsubtle language of jesting.  Want to compare your career with mine?  I'm a tenured faculty member in two departments at a major research university with lots of influential publications.  How about you?  

On the contrary, we're still jesting (perhaps you missed that.)

I'm a wandering nomad. The bohemian lifestyle is meant for me.

From time to time, I perform plays of Shakespeare, and I always deliver.

In my circles, I'm what would be considered influential. I might even be as self-important as you.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

On 9/27/2025 at 12:10 AM, GreatWhiteNorth said:

It's only weird if you don't have the variety and level of skills Gable has.

When you could be successful at multiple professional sports. It becomes a difficult choice.

A difficult choice that neither you, nor most of the population, can imagine having to make.

I agree with you. I would vote for wrestling. But neither of us gets a vote. Nor should we.

 

4 hours ago, GrandOlm said:

I count one professional sport that he could be successful at, MMA. And MMA is a newcomer  that utilizes a prizefighting as its model (similar to boxing). It naturally recruits from wrestlers and outside the MMA family . 

What other professional sports could he be succesfull at? I can't think of any? I don't think he has the personality and fame to do what the Paul brother did in boxing. Wrestling isn't a true professional sport (by some definitions).  

But you're completely missing the bigger picture here.

When someone has a wide variety of high-level skills, doors are opened. That doesn't mean any kind of guaranteed success. It simply means there are potential opportunities.

• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in boxing.
• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in the WWE.
• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in the NFL.
• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in MMA.

How about bowling? Maybe shotput or hammer throw? Frisbee golf?

My point is simply that nobody should be bagging on a guy who has skills and opportunities and is willing to seek out what is best for him.

Don't pretend to know what he can or can't do. You don't know. He's finding that out on his own - and good for him.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

2 hours ago, ionel said:

... always. 

Oh, get a room you two. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

6 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

 

But you're completely missing the bigger picture here.

When someone has a wide variety of high-level skills, doors are opened. That doesn't mean any kind of guaranteed success. It simply means there are potential opportunities.

• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in boxing.
• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in the WWE.
• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in the NFL.
• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in MMA.

How about bowling? Maybe shotput or hammer throw? Frisbee golf?

My point is simply that nobody should be bagging on a guy who has skills and opportunities and is willing to seek out what is best for him.

Don't pretend to know what he can or can't do. You don't know. He's finding that out on his own - and good for him.

I knew about the NFL.

[alex1fly]

8 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

 

But you're completely missing the bigger picture here.

When someone has a wide variety of high-level skills, doors are opened. That doesn't mean any kind of guaranteed success. It simply means there are potential opportunities.

• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in boxing.
• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in the WWE.
• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in the NFL.
• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in MMA.

How about bowling? Maybe shotput or hammer throw? Frisbee golf?

My point is simply that nobody should be bagging on a guy who has skills and opportunities and is willing to seek out what is best for him.

Don't pretend to know what he can or can't do. You don't know. He's finding that out on his own - and good for him.

Well said. I'm interested to see where he lands. 

[mspart]

Wishing him the best but wondering about his path. 

mspart

[GreatWhiteNorth]

8 hours ago, mspart said:

Wishing him the best but wondering about his path. 

mspart

I often wonder about your path, as well.

[Window12]

On 10/2/2025 at 7:21 AM, GreatWhiteNorth said:

From time to time, I perform plays of Shakespeare, and I always deliver.

Doth the lady protests too much? Ah me thinks so 

[dragit]

On 10/2/2025 at 1:51 AM, GreatWhiteNorth said:

 

But you're completely missing the bigger picture here.

When someone has a wide variety of high-level skills, doors are opened. That doesn't mean any kind of guaranteed success. It simply means there are potential opportunities.

• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in boxing.
• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in the WWE.
• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in the NFL.
• Until he tried - he can't know if he can be successful in MMA.

How about bowling? Maybe shotput or hammer throw? Frisbee golf?

My point is simply that nobody should be bagging on a guy who has skills and opportunities and is willing to seek out what is best for him.

Don't pretend to know what he can or can't do. You don't know. He's finding that out on his own - and good for him.

I agree and disagree. 

I agree that he is a person who clearly needs to do this his way.  And he always does it with grace.  So who am I to get angry about that.

I disagree that he has great skills beyond wrestling.  The chances he was going to succeed at football were about zero.  He was a longshot in WWE because of his height and his personality (which is a compliment).  I'd be shocked if he is a world class boxer.  He might have a shot at MMA but only because of the wrestling component.  Hammer throw, whatever else - no.

The man may well be the best wrestler on the planet.  He's also a wonderful athlete.  But it's nuts to think that because you're the best in the world at something and a great athlete that you can be a world class athlete in another sport.  Michael Jordan being an excellent example, nowhere near good enough to be a successful professional in baseball or golf (and lacking the personal grace that Gable has).

Again he might be able to make a living in MMA but that's basically because of his wrestling.  But bless him and best luck on how he wants to live his life.  It's just a loss for us because it would have been a pleasure to see him compete internationally through a couple of cycles.

 

[ionel]

14 hours ago, Window12 said:

Doth the lady protests too much? Ah me thinks so 

GWN is no "lady."  If you don't believe me then ask MP or visit the DF yourself. 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

7 hours ago, dragit said:

I agree and disagree. 

I agree that he is a person who clearly needs to do this his way.  And he always does it with grace.  So who am I to get angry about that.

I disagree that he has great skills beyond wrestling.  The chances he was going to succeed at football were about zero.  He was a longshot in WWE because of his height and his personality (which is a compliment).  I'd be shocked if he is a world class boxer.  He might have a shot at MMA but only because of the wrestling component.  Hammer throw, whatever else - no.

The man may well be the best wrestler on the planet.  He's also a wonderful athlete.  But it's nuts to think that because you're the best in the world at something and a great athlete that you can be a world class athlete in another sport.  Michael Jordan being an excellent example, nowhere near good enough to be a successful professional in baseball or golf (and lacking the personal grace that Gable has).

Again he might be able to make a living in MMA but that's basically because of his wrestling.  But bless him and best luck on how he wants to live his life.  It's just a loss for us because it would have been a pleasure to see him compete internationally through a couple of cycles.

 

If you were to read my post and immediately read your reply. I would suggest that we 90% agree.

My post was about "trying" rather than any kind of guaranteed success. It might do you well to reread my post. We are basically in agreement.

Good thing you weren't coaching Bo Jackson. World class athletes CAN be world class in other sports. It's a fact.

And, as I've previously stated, I couldn't agree more that I'd much prefer him to be wrestling. We think alike.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

On 10/1/2025 at 4:25 PM, SocraTease said:

It's clear your trajectory has been a humorless one since you cannot detect even the most unsubtle language of jesting.  Want to compare your career with mine?  I'm a tenured faculty member in two departments at a major research university with lots of influential publications.  How about you?  

 

On 10/2/2025 at 1:21 AM, GreatWhiteNorth said:

On the contrary, we're still jesting (perhaps you missed that.)

I'm a wandering nomad. The bohemian lifestyle is meant for me.

From time to time, I perform plays of Shakespeare, and I always deliver.

In my circles, I'm what would be considered influential. I might even be as self-important as you.

C'mon man. How unsubtle do I need to be. Are you on some kind of humorless trajectory?

Clue #1: It was a cold start.

[Anyone else - feel free to jump in and ask questions or solve.]

Edited 3 hours ago by GreatWhiteNorth

[dragit]

1 hour ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

If you were to read my post and immediately read your reply. I would suggest that we 90% agree.

My post was about "trying" rather than any kind of guaranteed success. It might do you well to reread my post. We are basically in agreement.

Good thing you weren't coaching Bo Jackson. World class athletes CAN be world class in other sports. It's a fact.

And, as I've previously stated, I couldn't agree more that I'd much prefer him to be wrestling. We think alike.

Agree to agree Particularly in that we can only be very sad that he hasn't taken wrestling seriously since the Olympics.

But I think Bo Jackson is different in an illustrative way.  He actually played baseball when he was younger and did it extraordinarily well as one of the best players in the country.  The Yankees risked a second round pick on him even though they had to know he'd probably play football.  

Similar with Rickey Henderson, John Elway, Danny Ainge, etc., all of whom were stars in both sports before college.

Gable has never been good at anything but wrestling.  And he's what, 25?  He's never going to be a serious athlete at any other sport, other than MMA because of wrestling.

I think the world of him but am being realistic. He had literally zero chance of playing in the NFL.  None.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

24 minutes ago, dragit said:

Agree to agree Particularly in that we can only be very sad that he hasn't taken wrestling seriously since the Olympics.

But I think Bo Jackson is different in an illustrative way.  He actually played baseball when he was younger and did it extraordinarily well as one of the best players in the country.  The Yankees risked a second round pick on him even though they had to know he'd probably play football.  

Similar with Rickey Henderson, John Elway, Danny Ainge, etc., all of whom were stars in both sports before college.

Gable has never been good at anything but wrestling.  And he's what, 25?  He's never going to be a serious athlete at any other sport, other than MMA because of wrestling.

I think the world of him but am being realistic. He had literally zero chance of playing in the NFL.  None.

I disagree that "we can only be very sad" - we can be a lot of things, none of them need be sad.

Let's review comrade:

• Little Mike Tyson. All 5'10" and 220# of him. Let's be realistic, he could never be a great heavyweight, right?
• Christian McCaffrey. 5' 10'ish and a little over 200#. No way an Elite NFL running back, right?
• Justin Jefferson. Maybe 6' and easily less than 200#. Impossible to be the best receiver in the league, right?

Becoming great is something individuals do - anyone who claims to foretell the future is foolish.

Everyone can be great. If you don't believe that, you should stay far away from children. (And I mean that.)

Edited 1 hour ago by GreatWhiteNorth