Pinfall Trivia

[11986]

2 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Then Chris Taylor? who I thought also was OW

Greg Strobel was OW

[Wrestleknownothing]

9 minutes ago, 11986 said:

I think it's Chris Taylor, 1973 

We have a winner. Oregon State's Greg Strobel took the outstanding wrestler award with wins over three unseeded wrestlers, the #8 seed and the #4 seed. He had two pinfalls, a major, and two decisions along the way.

Meanwhile, Taylor pinfelled the #8 seed, the #5 seed and the #3 seed, along with two unseeded wrestlers.

If anyone know the story behind this seeming oddity, I would love to hear it. It seems impossible this would happen today.

[MPhillips]

26 minutes ago, jchapman said:

Sorry, couldn't help myself. 

He struggles with lose and loss too...

 

26 minutes ago, jchapman said:

You do great work!

He does...

[bnwtwg]

39 minutes ago, 11986 said:

I think it's Chris Taylor, 1973 

Beat me by seconds! Good work

[Jim L]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

We have a winner. Oregon State's Greg Strobel took the outstanding wrestler award with wins over three unseeded wrestlers, the #8 seed and the #4 seed. He had two pinfalls, a major, and two decisions along the way.

Meanwhile, Taylor pinfelled the #8 seed, the #5 seed and the #3 seed, along with two unseeded wrestlers.

If anyone know the story behind this seeming oddity, I would love to hear it. It seems impossible this would happen today.

Less credit given for Hvy pins especially for Taylor being 200 lbs heavier than opponents. He was a very good wrestler for hi size, but I don't think he was ever regarded as an "outstanding" wrestler

[fishbane]

40 minutes ago, Jim L said:

Less credit given for Hvy pins especially for Taylor being 200 lbs heavier than opponents. He was a very good wrestler for hi size, but I don't think he was ever regarded as an "outstanding" wrestler

His performance wasn't only outstanding It was historic.  One cannot score more team points than he did.  A wrestler has only maxed that out a handful of times.  He was also the Gorrarian of all NCAA tournaments up to that point.  By that I mean at the 1973 tournament he had 5 pins in 13:52.  No one had more that 5 pins and no one had 5 pins in less time.  Since 1973 someone has scored 5 pin at NCAAs in less time, but that person didn't win the title.

[Wrestleknownothing]

18 minutes ago, fishbane said:

His performance wasn't only outstanding It was historic.  One cannot score more team points than he did.  A wrestler has only maxed that out a handful of times.  He was also the Gorrarian of all NCAA tournaments up to that point.  By that I mean at the 1973 tournament he had 5 pins in 13:52.  No one had more that 5 pins and no one had 5 pins in less time.  Since 1973 someone has scored 5 pin at NCAAs in less time, but that person didn't win the title.

The only quintuple pinfeller who did not win a title that I can find is Gary Albright, but he took 15:34 to Taylor's 13:52.

[11986]

2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

We have a winner. Oregon State's Greg Strobel took the outstanding wrestler award with wins over three unseeded wrestlers, the #8 seed and the #4 seed. He had two pinfalls, a major, and two decisions along the way.

Meanwhile, Taylor pinfelled the #8 seed, the #5 seed and the #3 seed, along with two unseeded wrestlers.

If anyone know the story behind this seeming oddity, I would love to hear it. It seems impossible this would happen today.

in addition to Taylor I think there are other guys who could have reasonably won OW over Strobel. For starters, the 3 champs from Clarion:

134 champ Rohn won from the 8 seed. No bonus wins other than a 26-6 1st rd win over an unseeded wrestler, but he did beat the 1,4, and 2 seeds to win it all. 

167 champ Simpson won from the 4 seed. Started off with two pins over unseeded guys, then beat the 5 in OT, 12-5 over the 1, and 7-3 in finals over the 2 seed.

and of course 158 champ Wade Schalles. 4 pins, albeit 3 over unseeded guys, and a 9-2 finals win over the 2 seed. Schalles was OW the year before, maybe there was some sentiment to not give it to same guy 2 years in a row?

 

 

[fishbane]

7 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The only quintuple pinfeller who did not win a title that I can find is Gary Albright, but he took 15:34 to Taylor's 13:52.

Darryl Peterson ISU 1985.  5 PFs in 5:32. Finished 5th at unlimited.  I think he is the overall Gorriaran at NCAAs.

If I'm off on that it's because there are multiple Petersons in that bracket and they wrested each other.

Edited 9 hours ago by fishbane

[Truzzcat]

20 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

There have been 9 NCAA champs who won the Gorriaran Award with at least 4 pinfalls, but only 7 of them also won the Outstanding Wrestler Award. 

Who are the other two?

gimme albright and perry

[Truzzcat]

18 hours ago, ionel said:

The Youngstown State Penguins come to mind.

any chance you are from youngstown?

[ionel]

10 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

any chance you are from youngstown?

no chance

[fishbane]

Darryl Peterson ISU at NCAAs in 1985 5 falls in 1:32+1:00+1:40+0:41+0:38=5:31

Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF John Long (VMI) 1:32
Kirk Trost (Michigan) Dec. Darryl Peterson (ISU) 5-3
Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Mark Johnson (Army) 1:00
Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) 1:40
Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Al Sears (SIU-Edwardsville) 0:41
Steve Sefter (PSU) Dec. Darryl Peterson (ISU) 6-1
Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Kahlan O'Hara (OSU) 0:38

Rick Petersen Lock Haven at NCAAs in 1985 1 Fall in 1:02

Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) WBF Andy Cope (Indiana State) 1:02
Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) MD Jeff Green (Morgan State) 10-2
Kirk Trost (Michigan) Dec. Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) 10-8
Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) 1:40

[Truzzcat]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

no chance

I am disappointed while simultaneously being happy for you.

[ionel]

Just now, Truzzcat said:

I am disappointed while simultaneously being happy for you.

thank you

[Wrestleknownothing]

4 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Darryl Peterson ISU at NCAAs in 1985 5 falls in 1:32+1:00+1:40+0:41+0:38=5:31

Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF John Long (VMI) 1:32
Kirk Trost (Michigan) Dec. Darryl Peterson (ISU) 5-3
Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Mark Johnson (Army) 1:00
Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) 1:40
Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Al Sears (SIU-Edwardsville) 0:41
Steve Sefter (PSU) Dec. Darryl Peterson (ISU) 6-1
Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Kahlan O'Hara (OSU) 0:38

Rick Petersen Lock Haven at NCAAs in 1985 1 Fall in 1:02

Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) WBF Andy Cope (Indiana State) 1:02
Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) MD Jeff Green (Morgan State) 10-2
Kirk Trost (Michigan) Dec. Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) 10-8
Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) 1:40

Yes, I missed the pigtail match

[fishbane]

8 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Yes, I missed the pigtail match

I think there are three non champs with 5 PFs.  Dan Gable 2nd place 1970 in 22:08, Darryl Peterson 5th place 1985 in 5:31, and Gary Albright 3rd place 1986 15:34.    Both Gable and Peterson benefited from a championship pig tail. 

You had Albright and Gable with 5 falls in the table in your thread on this award, but Peterson only had 4 falls in the table.  Interesting stuff in that thread.

 

[bnwtwg]

38 minutes ago, fishbane said:

I think there are three non champs with 5 PFs.  Dan Gable 2nd place 1970 in 22:08, Darryl Peterson 5th place 1985 in 5:31, and Gary Albright 3rd place 1986 15:34.    Both Gable and Peterson benefited from a championship pig tail. 

You had Albright and Gable with 5 falls in the table in your thread on this award, but Peterson only had 4 falls in the table.  Interesting stuff in that thread.

 

that would have been extremely useful 12 hours ago lol

[fishbane]

45 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

that would have been extremely useful 12 hours ago lol

It was there!  It's been there since April.

[bnwtwg]

2 hours ago, fishbane said:

It was there!  It's been there since April.

Yeah but where's the fun in cheating to get the answer? I only do that at work!

[ionel]

10 hours ago, Fadzaev2 said:

.. but what is a pinfall...

It's a disease contracted from a bite of the northern Illinois blue tic.  Over time it can worsen to a stage of pinfellery.  The only known cure is 6 months of quarantine on a basketball forum.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

11 hours ago, Fadzaev2 said:

Rohn and Dan Gable (1970), but what is a pinfall....I thought those guys got pins or falls!!!

I am just an unfrozen caveman statistician. @Jason Bryant and his new fangled ways frightens and confuses me. Pinfall may have left the rule book in 1955, but it has never left my heart.

 

 

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I am just an unfrozen caveman statistician. @Jason Bryant  Pinfall may have left the rule book in 1955, but it has never left my 

Remind us what year your heart first felt something for wrestling?  

[bnwtwg]

6 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

gimme albright and perry

Perry was my original guess too, but then I was pretty sure the year he didn't win it the year he got the G. Glad I edited my comment.

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

Remind us what year your heart first felt something for wrestling?  

I arrived here in a time mac....

Never mind. I have said too much.