juniorvarsity Posted June 19 Posted June 19 8 minutes ago, pokemonster said: I recommend everyone watch this. Super messed up. It starts off as a kind of joke of hey this weird old guy fondles our balls too much when checking us out, well that was weird and creepy, and progresses in to literal drugging and rapes. Thousands of victims. I hate to say it, but I can easily see how this went down considering the time period. Coaches tell the athletes to suck it up, focus on wrestling, not worth getting the Ohio State brass involved. Instead Hellickson told the doc to knock it off and that's it. Coaches didn't realize the trauma it inflicted on some of these guys, and instead of admitting they knew it was happening, they said they were clueless and dug a hole they can't get out of. For Jordan to tell the truth now would be an admittance of being a liar and admitting they didn't give a *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* back in the day. Not to mention that Strauss was the roid doctor for the University, punishing him meant risk of exposing the PED use. So messed up. Drugging and raping athletes? Did this occur on campus/ in athletic facilities? I guess I didn't look into this far enough. I thought he was touching athletes and showering with them.
TNwrestling Posted June 19 Posted June 19 13 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said: Drugging and raping athletes? Did this occur on campus/ in athletic facilities? I guess I didn't look into this far enough. I thought he was touching athletes and showering with them. Nearly 180 came forward and said they were drugged and raped.
The Kid Posted June 19 Posted June 19 12 minutes ago, TNwrestling said: Nearly 180 came forward and said they were drugged and raped. Where did the rapes happen? On campus?
1032004 Posted June 19 Posted June 19 30 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said: Drugging and raping athletes? Did this occur on campus/ in athletic facilities? I guess I didn't look into this far enough. I thought he was touching athletes and showering with them. 16 minutes ago, TNwrestling said: Nearly 180 came forward and said they were drugged and raped. Could be wrong but I believe the only one I saw that used the r word publicly (or said they were drugged) was the hockey player, and he said that occurred off campus. Guessing there might have been other accusations of that among the plaintiffs that were not public.
TNwrestling Posted June 19 Posted June 19 1 hour ago, The Kid said: Where did the rapes happen? On campus? Again, does it matter? Ya know, this is twice that your comment seems to defend him.
The Kid Posted June 19 Posted June 19 8 minutes ago, TNwrestling said: Again, does it matter? Ya know, this is twice that your comment seems to defend him. I think the facts of case are fascinating. I'm wondering how this clown drugged and raped 180 men on the campus of Ohio State without getting caught or murdered by a vigilante. Do the facts matter? I think so. 1
Tripnsweep Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Jim Jordan came off looking like a real assbag. Lied about knowing, then suggested the wrestlers were wrong and lying, then still admitted to admit he was wrong.
MPhillips Posted June 20 Posted June 20 12 minutes ago, ionel said: How was it? Was this intended for Pokemonster? .
flyingcement Posted June 20 Posted June 20 17 minutes ago, ionel said: How was it? It's heart wrenching. It makes you feel despair for the human race.
ionel Posted June 20 Posted June 20 15 minutes ago, MPhillips said: Was this intended for Pokemonster? Nope .
ionel Posted June 20 Posted June 20 11 minutes ago, flyingcement said: It's heart wrenching. It makes you feel despair for the human race. Like I said previously ... glad i don't have HBO Max. 1 .
MPhillips Posted June 20 Posted June 20 9 minutes ago, ionel said: Like I said previously I'm not interested in watching it. I've followed it for many years... 1 .
MPhillips Posted June 20 Posted June 20 15 minutes ago, ionel said: Nope Well, you've stumped me it seems... .
Bigbrog Posted June 20 Posted June 20 On 6/18/2025 at 2:08 PM, Voice of the Quakers said: If you know anything about the way colleges operated then (and now)... Everyone at Ohio State knew about the doctor. Plenty of people complained about him. Those who complained were told by the administration to pound sand. As such, friends and teammates warned their friends and teammates about the doctor and told them to make the best of it. It's laughable to think that Jordan could've done anything about the doctor then. And, yes, whether you agree with Jordan's politics or not, his political opponents are going to make hay about it. They do not accept his denials, nor would they forgive him if he changed course and said he did know. Hopefully, one more documentary on this type of "incident" means there will be one less similar case in the future. But, be forever warned - predators are going to go where the kids are, and there's lot's of kids on athletic teams and at college campuses. This. I watched it last night, and I understand that documentaries can skew things and purposely create a narrative, but man, Hellickson and Jordan did themselves no favors for how they acted, and more importantly didn't act. Their behavior after this all broke, and even recently is at minimum head scratching and at worst reprehensible. 2 1
billyhoyle Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) 7 hours ago, Bigbrog said: This. I watched it last night, and I understand that documentaries can skew things and purposely create a narrative, but man, Hellickson and Jordan did themselves no favors for how they acted, and more importantly didn't act. Their behavior after this all broke, and even recently is at minimum head scratching and at worst reprehensible. As bad as Jordan looks from this, which is bad, Hellickson looks even worse. Hellickson has nothing to lose from coming out and supporting his athletes. He even is on tape in a prior interview essentially admitting that he thought the situation was strange with the showering and he brought this up with Strauss. Nobody expects him to say he knew everything and covered it up-they just want him to admit what is obvious. That he should have done more and the admin at tOSU should have done more, but didn't. On 6/19/2025 at 1:47 PM, juniorvarsity said: Drugging and raping athletes? Did this occur on campus/ in athletic facilities? I guess I didn't look into this far enough. I thought he was touching athletes and showering with them. There was one case in the documentary where a victim sought care at the student health center and then was drugged/driven home and raped. I think there were many more cases from the report, but I'm pretty sure some actions in his "medical check" could qualify as rape depending on what exactly he was doing. So I'm sure some of the cases reported by the tOSU investigation were that (actions in his medical check). Edited June 20 by billyhoyle
152lbs Posted June 20 Posted June 20 On 6/19/2025 at 2:16 PM, The Kid said: I think the facts of case are fascinating. I'm wondering how this clown drugged and raped 180 men on the campus of Ohio State without getting caught or murdered by a vigilante. Do the facts matter? I think so. Classic victim blaming
ionel Posted June 20 Posted June 20 18 hours ago, MPhillips said: I'm not interested in watching it. I've followed it for many years... Ahh ... thought you were suggesting going to watch it. .
The Kid Posted June 21 Posted June 21 3 hours ago, 152lbs said: Classic victim blaming Through in beastiality if you want too. It is up to you.
Littlepun Posted July 11 Posted July 11 My brother was a survivor of Dr. Strauss and an ongoing victim of Ohio State (stealing a line from the doc). I was a mediocre wrestler at Oregon State. My brother is 6 years younger than me and was highly recruited. I had not heard good things about Coach Hellickson from people I trusted and tried to talk him out of going to Ohio State. He had friends there, and he really loved Coach Jordan. He is not interviewed in the documentary, but his name does appear prominently during the portion of the doc where they are highlighting the names of the guys being interviewed on the original lawsuit filing, below Coleman's name. He was warned by some of his teammates and fellow plaintiffs not to watch it. But he was at kid nationals in Iowa and his roommate fell asleep watching HBO. My brother woke up to the documentary about 10 minutes in. Called me in the middle of the night completely falling apart. After all, he was going to be in the UNI-Dome the next day with scores of people he knew. He got through that OK, although there was one guy who kept harassing him about it, "It wasn't really that bad. Why didn't you just kick his ass, etc." One of my brother's people got rid of that guy. The suffering continues for these men. The current administration at Ohio State is trying to wash their hands of it: "it happened before we were here...statute of limitations...etc." But they continued to take actions to cover it up, because they knew it went deeper than the 177 original plaintiffs. Now for my mea culpa: My brother went from a star student committed to a championship lifestyle to struggling with school and substance abuse. For years, I resented him for "wasting" the talent and all his hard work. He continued to wrestle, NAIA AA, OTC Athlete, etc. but was a shadow of himself. I blamed him for it, and of course, we all make our choices. Like I tell my athletes, "There are reasons for things not excuses." I mostly cut him out of my life for a handful of years. Fortunately, a sports psychologist at the OTC recognized there was something else going on with him and he got help, even though it wasn't until years later that he unearthed the horrors he endured. He came to watch my son compete in Pocatello in 2012 and it was the first time he had anything to do with wrestling in years. He is now a great coach and mentor to kids. We are closer than we have ever been but I will never forgive myself for my lack of empathy and anger toward him. There are hundreds and hundreds of stories like his. Strauss destroyed what these men could have been. Ohio State could have stopped it. It is on record that the athletic administration, and Coach Hellickson, knew about it before my brother enrolled in Columbus. They could have stopped it. They could have warned him. But they didn't. I have a special distaste for Congressman Jordan. But, as my mental health professional wife once pointed out, it is quite possible that Jim was a victim as well. Yes, he went to U of Wisc. but he was an Ohio phenom and I am sure he spent plenty of time in Columbus. 10 2 1 1 1
1032004 Posted July 12 Posted July 12 This is one time where Ohio State must be really thankful for Carter Starocci and Aaron Brooks. The talk of this doc really fell off after the PSU drama started
AgaveMaria Posted Sunday at 05:28 PM Posted Sunday at 05:28 PM This is God getting back at the State of Ohio for running Joseph Smith and the Mormons out in the 1830's. Surprised they did not put an Oath of Vengeance in their Temple ceremony against the State of Ohio as they did against the USA after they left the USA when they moved to Mexican Territory after being run out of Illinios. If Cael leaves Penn State maybe he can coach Ohio State? 1 ” Never attribute to inspiration that which can be adequately explained by delusion”.
Gibsonian Posted Sunday at 06:26 PM Posted Sunday at 06:26 PM Gummy Jordan is a lying enabler, still lying . Got no sympathy for that trash 1
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