Ohio State wrestling documentary released today on HBO Max

[juniorvarsity]

8 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

I recommend everyone watch this. Super messed up. It starts off as a kind of joke of hey this weird old guy fondles our balls too much when checking us out, well that was weird and creepy, and progresses in to literal drugging and rapes. Thousands of victims. I hate to say it, but I can easily see how this went down considering the time period. Coaches tell the athletes to suck it up, focus on wrestling, not worth getting the Ohio State brass involved. Instead Hellickson told the doc to knock it off and that's it. Coaches didn't realize the trauma it inflicted on some of these guys, and instead of admitting they knew it was happening, they said they were clueless and dug a hole they can't get out of. For Jordan to tell the truth now would be an admittance of being a liar and admitting they didn't give a *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* back in the day. Not to mention that Strauss was the roid doctor for the University, punishing him meant risk of exposing the PED use. So messed up. 

Drugging and raping athletes? Did this occur on campus/ in athletic facilities? I guess I didn't look into this far enough. I thought he was touching athletes and showering with them. 

[TNwrestling]

13 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said:

Drugging and raping athletes? Did this occur on campus/ in athletic facilities? I guess I didn't look into this far enough. I thought he was touching athletes and showering with them. 

Nearly 180 came forward and said they were drugged and raped. 

[The Kid]

12 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

Nearly 180 came forward and said they were drugged and raped. 

Where did the rapes happen?  On campus?  

[1032004]

30 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said:

Drugging and raping athletes? Did this occur on campus/ in athletic facilities? I guess I didn't look into this far enough. I thought he was touching athletes and showering with them. 

 

16 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

Nearly 180 came forward and said they were drugged and raped. 

Could be wrong but I believe the only one I saw that used the r word publicly (or said they were drugged) was the hockey player, and he said that occurred off campus.   Guessing there might have been other accusations of that among the plaintiffs that were not public.

[TNwrestling]

1 hour ago, The Kid said:

Where did the rapes happen?  On campus?  

Again, does it matter?

 

Ya know, this is twice that your comment seems to defend him. 

[The Kid]

8 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

Again, does it matter?

 

Ya know, this is twice that your comment seems to defend him. 

I think the facts of case are fascinating. 

 I'm wondering how this clown drugged and raped 180 men on the campus of Ohio State without getting caught or murdered by a vigilante.  

Do the facts matter?  I think so.

[Fred]

9 hours ago, TNwrestling said:

 

Edited Thursday at 11:07 PM by Fred

[Tripnsweep]

Jim Jordan came off looking like a real assbag. Lied about knowing, then suggested the wrestlers were wrong and lying, then still admitted to admit he was wrong. 

[ionel]

On 6/18/2025 at 9:15 AM, MPhillips said:

 

How was it? 

[MPhillips]

12 minutes ago, ionel said:

How was it? 

Was this intended for Pokemonster?

[flyingcement]

17 minutes ago, ionel said:

How was it? 

It's heart wrenching.  It makes you feel despair for the human race. 

[ionel]

15 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Was this intended for Pokemonster?

Nope

[ionel]

11 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

It's heart wrenching.  It makes you feel despair for the human race. 

Like I said previously ... glad i don't have HBO Max. 

[MPhillips]

9 minutes ago, ionel said:

Like I said previously

I'm not interested in watching it. I've followed it for many years...

[MPhillips]

15 minutes ago, ionel said:

Nope

Well, you've stumped me it seems...

[Bigbrog]

On 6/18/2025 at 2:08 PM, Voice of the Quakers said:

If you know anything about the way colleges operated then (and now)...

• Everyone at Ohio State knew about the doctor.
• Plenty of people complained about him.
• Those who complained were told by the administration to pound sand.
• As such, friends and teammates warned their friends and teammates about the doctor and told them to make the best of it.

It's laughable to think that Jordan could've done anything about the doctor then. And, yes, whether you agree with Jordan's politics or not, his political opponents are going to make hay about it. They do not accept his denials, nor would they forgive him if he changed course and said he did know.

Hopefully, one more documentary on this type of "incident" means there will be one less similar case in the future.  But, be forever warned - predators are going to go where the kids are, and there's lot's of kids on athletic teams and at college campuses.

This.   I watched it last night, and I understand that documentaries can skew things and purposely create a narrative, but man, Hellickson and Jordan did themselves no favors for how they acted, and more importantly didn't act.  Their behavior after this all broke, and even recently is at minimum head scratching and at worst reprehensible.  

[billyhoyle]

7 hours ago, Bigbrog said:

This.   I watched it last night, and I understand that documentaries can skew things and purposely create a narrative, but man, Hellickson and Jordan did themselves no favors for how they acted, and more importantly didn't act.  Their behavior after this all broke, and even recently is at minimum head scratching and at worst reprehensible.  

As bad as Jordan looks from this, which is bad, Hellickson looks even worse.  Hellickson has nothing to lose from coming out and supporting his athletes. He even is on tape in a prior interview essentially admitting that he thought the situation was strange with the showering and he brought this up with Strauss. Nobody expects him to say he knew everything and covered it up-they just want him to admit what is obvious. That he should have done more and the admin at tOSU should have done more, but didn't. 

 

On 6/19/2025 at 1:47 PM, juniorvarsity said:

Drugging and raping athletes? Did this occur on campus/ in athletic facilities? I guess I didn't look into this far enough. I thought he was touching athletes and showering with them. 

There was one case in the documentary where a victim sought care at the student health center and then was drugged/driven home and raped. I think there were many more cases from the report, but I'm pretty sure some actions in his "medical check" could qualify as rape depending on what exactly he was doing. So I'm sure some of the cases reported by the tOSU investigation were that (actions in his medical check). 

Edited 13 hours ago by billyhoyle

[152lbs]

On 6/19/2025 at 2:16 PM, The Kid said:

I think the facts of case are fascinating. 

 I'm wondering how this clown drugged and raped 180 men on the campus of Ohio State without getting caught or murdered by a vigilante.  

Do the facts matter?  I think so.

Classic victim blaming

[ionel]

18 hours ago, MPhillips said:

I'm not interested in watching it. I've followed it for many years...

Ahh ... thought you were suggesting going to watch it.  

[The Kid]

3 hours ago, 152lbs said:

Classic victim blaming

Through in beastiality if you want too. It is up to you.