Kerkvliet (8-1) is ranked ahead of Cassioppi (16-0)

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

It doesn't really matter assuming they wrestle each other this weekend but how does Intermat explain this given that All-Star match results aren't supposed to influence rankings?

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

And Cassioppi is like 3-0 over Kerk in actual matches.

[Jason Bryant]

27 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

It doesn't really matter assuming they wrestle each other this weekend but how does Intermat explain this given that All-Star match results aren't supposed to influence rankings?

The All-Star Match doesn't influence seedings. Media outlets are well within their rights to pick and choose what events they consider or how they consider things like injury defaults, etc. The only place they officially aren't supposed to influence a ranking would be the NCAA coaches ranking. And yes, I'm taking the bait. 

 

Edited January 24, 2023 by Jason Bryant

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

Just now, Jason Bryant said:

The All-Star Match doesn't influence seedings. Media outlets are well within their rights to pick and choose what events they consider or how they consider things like injury defaults, etc. The only place they officially aren't supposed to influence a ranking would be the NCAA coaches ranking. And yes, I'm taking the bait. 

 

Right, so Cass is 16-0 this season, and 3-0 lifetime vs Kerk.  Kerk is 8-1 and 0-3 lifetime vs Cass.  So why is Kerk #2 and Cass #3?

[Jason Bryant]

6 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Right, so Cass is 16-0 this season, and 3-0 lifetime vs Kerk.  Kerk is 8-1 and 0-3 lifetime vs Cass.  So why is Kerk #2 and Cass #3?

Because media outlets are well within their rights to pick and choose what events they consider or how they consider things like injury defaults, etc. 

Edited January 24, 2023 by Jason Bryant

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

Just now, Jason Bryant said:

Because media outlets are well within their reights to pick and choose what events they consider or how they consider things like injury defaults, etc. 

Ok, so your implication is that media outlets are taking into account the all-star match between Kerk and Cass.  Got it.

[Jason Bryant]

Just now, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Ok, so your implication is that media outlets are taking into account the all-star match between Kerk and Cass.  Got it.

Media outlets are well within their rights to pick and choose what events they consider or how they consider things like injury defaults, etc. 

[MPhillips]

7 minutes ago, Jason Bryant said:

Media outlets are well within their rights to pick and choose what events they consider or how they consider things like injury defaults, etc. 

See what happens...

[Ponzi]

5 minutes ago, Jason Bryant said:

Media outlets are well within their rights to pick and choose what events they consider or how they consider things like injury defaults, etc. 

Media outlets can do what they want-- yes. But it does not answer the question of why Intermat (which is who we are talking about, right?) put Kerk ahead of Cass. I don't think their ranking is crazy as Kerk was ahead of Cass before his loss to Parris and Kerk has not lost to Cass this year.  But if I was ranking, I'd put Cass #2 as he is undefeated and has a lot more wins.

[MPhillips]

1 minute ago, Ponzi said:

Intermat

Is that a media outlet...

[Jason Bryant]

Kerkvliet beat Cassioppi at the All-Star Classic, hence, InterMat put Kerkvliet ahead of Cassioppi. What's not to get? It's not an official bout, but I won't repeat it again. 

Edited January 24, 2023 by Jason Bryant

[Ponzi]

Kerk also beat Parris at the NCAAs last year.

[Bigbrog]

So why is Kerk ahead of Cass??

 

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

5 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

So why is Kerk ahead of Cass??

 

Because Intermat is a media outlet and they are allowed to take into account all-star matches.

[Bigbrog]

1 minute ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Because Intermat is a media outlet and they are allowed to take into account all-star matches.

Glad you FINALLY got it after asking like 10 times....keep on keeping on Jimmy!

[Pish]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Right, so Cass is 16-0 this season, and 3-0 lifetime vs Kerk.  Kerk is 8-1 and 0-3 lifetime vs Cass.  So why is Kerk #2 and Cass #3?

Very simple..Kerk finished ahead of Cass at last years NCAA's..that was the starting point for this year's rankings..Kerk 1, Parris 2 Cass 3.  Kerk lost to Parris and they flip flop.  It will all be settled Friday anyway..not sure if you were trolling with this post but if not, at least you now know how this happened

[Jerry Callo]

I know the answer to this one!  Kerk WAS # 1, and Parris WAS #2 so when Parris beats Kerk 3-1 they switch places.

The  arguments being made that CASS should be ahead of Kerk are not really changed by Kerk losing to Parris.  If CASS should have been ranked ahead of Kerk why didn’t anyone complain before this week?

[Gus]

4 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

I know the answer to this one!  Kerk WAS # 1, and Parris WAS #2 so when Parris beats Kerk 3-1 they switch places.

The  arguments being made that CASS should be ahead of Kerk are not really changed by Kerk losing to Parris.  If CASS should have been ranked ahead of Kerk why didn’t anyone complain before this week?

your hypothesis uses logic and reason...both of which have no place on this board.

[MPhillips]

20 minutes ago, Pish said:

not sure if you were trolling with this post

You need to be...

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 hours ago, Jason Bryant said:

The All-Star Match doesn't influence seedings. Media outlets are well within their rights to pick and choose what events they consider or how they consider things like injury defaults, etc. The only place they officially aren't supposed to influence a ranking would be the NCAA coaches ranking. And yes, I'm taking the bait. 

 

[D3UC157]

Can media outlets do what they want?

[BerniePragle]

20 minutes ago, D3UC157 said:

Can media outlets do what they want?

There are FCC regulations on TV and radio stations.  I don't recall any that pertain to college wrestling rankings though.  I know there used to be government regulations on newspapers.  I would assume there are also government regulations of some sort on internet media.  I kind of doubt any of those involve college wrestling rankings either.

[Caveira]

The reason independent ranking services can do what they want is in a set of recently leaked classified documents.  Unfortunately we will never know the reason outlined in those documents.    
 

them’s the breaks.   

[MPhillips]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

The reason independent ranking services can do what they want is in a set of recently leaked classified documents.  Unfortunately we will never know the reason outlined in those documents.    
 

them’s the breaks.   

I'm afraid to look in my basement closets. There could be some classified documents down there.

[gimpeltf]

5 hours ago, Jason Bryant said:

Kerkvliet beat Cassioppi at the All-Star Classic, hence, InterMat put Kerkvliet ahead of Cassioppi. What's not to get? It's not an official bout, but I won't repeat it again. 

Repeat what again?