Anyone hear something crazy recently?

[Dark Energy]

Person A behaves in a ‘good’ way for a long time.  Then does something bad.  People say woah.  That’s bad.  What happened? Some people revel, cheer and celebrate with glee at this person’s demise.  Other people wait and see and are willing to give a second chance to person A.  Person A perhaps makes good on this opportunity and a good chunk of the community recognizes the challenge and the attempt to do right going forward.

 

Person B behaves in wack job way.  Is accused of many bad things.  Is considered unreliable.  Given chance after chance after chance after chance.  Makes people regret the time and energy invested in him.  Has a persona of being a jackass.  Then does something bad.  People say - that fits.  He is just that person.  No 8th chance given.  Still considered a jackass.

Seems about right.  The feigned outrage of a double standard is amusing.

[happyvalet]

2 minutes ago, Dark Energy said:

Person A behaves in a ‘good’ way for a long time.  Then does something bad.  People say woah.  That’s bad.  What happened? Some people revel, cheer and celebrate with glee at this person’s demise.  Other people wait and see and are willing to give a second chance to person A.  Person A perhaps makes good on this opportunity and a good chunk of the community recognizes the challenge and the attempt to do right going forward.

 

Person B behaves in wack job way.  Is accused of many bad things.  Is considered unreliable.  Given chance after chance after chance after chance.  Makes people regret the time and energy invested in him.  Has a persona of being a jackass.  Then does something bad.  People say - that fits.  He is just that person.  No 8th chance given.  Still considered a jackass.

Seems about right.  The feigned outrage of a double standard is amusing.

In your framing, does it matter how long Person A has been doing "something bad" without anyone knowing? Does that change your calculus? Or does it only matter what is on the surface and in the public eye? 

[bnwtwg]

What if Person A was the same as Person B, just better at hiding it and going to great lengths to condone such hypocritical behavior?

[1032004]

14 minutes ago, Dark Energy said:

Person A behaves in a ‘good’ way for a long time.  Then does something bad.  People say woah.  That’s bad.  What happened? Some people revel, cheer and celebrate with glee at this person’s demise.  Other people wait and see and are willing to give a second chance to person A.  Person A perhaps makes good on this opportunity and a good chunk of the community recognizes the challenge and the attempt to do right going forward.

 

Person B behaves in wack job way.  Is accused of many bad things.  Is considered unreliable.  Given chance after chance after chance after chance.  Makes people regret the time and energy invested in him.  Has a persona of being a jackass.  Then does something bad.  People say - that fits.  He is just that person.  No 8th chance given.  Still considered a jackass.

Seems about right.  The feigned outrage of a double standard is amusing.

I don’t see many people cheering and celebrating with glee about this.  Mostly just rightfully calling out his hypocrisy.

It’s overall not good for the sport of wrestling as a whole, an Olympic Gold medalist getting arrested, especially one that had been previously thought to be a model citizen.

[Dark Energy]

42 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

What if Person A was the same as Person B, just better at hiding it and going to great lengths to condone such hypocritical behavior?

Is this known as a FACT that person A was the same as person B?  If so, then I would expect that the treatment would be more like B as this fact was shown to be a fact and knowledge spread …. but I see this as an untenable hypothetical.  Particularly due to person B’s long history and behavior.

I would expect that it is more like the hopes of someone that is reveling in the demise of person A.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

6 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

@Wrestleknownothing any chance you can compile data on which two posters have the best forum beef?  Would be a great thread to dive into that data 

Probably me and @ionel, we hate each other, but maybe another duo

Not a chance. I am afraid of what I might find out.

[ionel]

34 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Not a chance. I am afraid of what I might find out.

[Wrestleknownothing]

14 minutes ago, ionel said:

That tracks.

Perfectly.

[Caveira]

Stolen form an anonymous post on minnow.  So.  Caveat.  Caveat.  Caveat.  But I’ve heard or read she was a body builder a few times.  There is a pic of her.  She is a 60 year old body builder.  I’ll try to post but the powers that be don’t let me post pics.  
 

quote from minnow page 

“For everyone wondering. This is the undercover female cop that lured in Kyle Snyder, but 20 years ago. She’s almost 60 years old now practically a senior citizen. And Snyder looked at a photo of her and said to himself, “yeah I’ll risk everything to pay her for unprotected sex tonight”. Homeboy is a psychopath”

 

https://usamuscle.com/women/products/detail.php?ProductID=23033

Edited 5 hours ago by Caveira

[alliseeisgold]

3 hours ago, fishbane said:

I don't know if double standard applies, but it is a different standard.  I am also not convinced that the difference is due to being fake vs being true so much as having a very troubled past vs having a problem free past.  Both may play a roll, but I think the later is the more significant issue.  AJ Ferrari encountered this when looking for a new program after leaving OSU.  One might assess his religious views to be closer to closer to Kyle Snyder than Pat Downey and that they are incongruent with his off the mat behavior making him "fake." He said in an interview he chose Bakersfield not because they offered the most $$ or were his only offer, but every other school said he'd be starting with two strikes and if he messed up once he was out.  Citing bible versus did not help him much.

The worst charges he faced were assault and robbery which occurred in 2009 and 2010 and he could have faced 35 years in prison if convicted of all counts.  He won Fargo in 2011 and represented the US at Junior Worlds in 2012, so he was definitely a USAW member those years.  I would be pretty surprised if he was a USAW member for the first time in 2011.  It is likely that he was he was a USAW member for them or at least prior to them.  

Past behaviour at other institutions definitely matters.  Most obviously with USAW it matters in the background screening they require of adult national team members and all coaches.  Downey would have been subject to this in 2012 when he made the junior world team and in 2019 when he made the senior world team and if he was ever a coach.  His criminal conviction should have come up.

 

 

Did wrestling people write essays about how they have made mistakes as well , and Downey needs grace back in 2009 ??  (No)

 Just a bit much seeing ppl prop themselves up as moral authorities with paragraphs of versus in essays all of a sudden for Snyder. 

And yes a double standard exists since it wasn't done in 09-11.

 

 

[pokemonster]

43 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Stolen form an anonymous post on minnow.  So.  Caveat.  Caveat.  Caveat.  But I’ve heard or read she was a body builder a few times.  There is a pic of her.  She is a 60 year old body builder.  I’ll try to post but the powers that be don’t let me post pics.  
 

quote from minnow page 

“For everyone wondering. This is the undercover female cop that lured in Kyle Snyder, but 20 years ago. She’s almost 60 years old now practically a senior citizen. And Snyder looked at a photo of her and said to himself, “yeah I’ll risk everything to pay her for unprotected sex tonight”. Homeboy is a psychopath”

 

https://usamuscle.com/women/products/detail.php?ProductID=23033

Holy smokes, imagine the grip strength on that lady. Not bad looking. 

[alliseeisgold]

3 hours ago, Dark Energy said:

Person A behaves in a ‘good’ way for a long time.  Then does something bad.  People say woah.  That’s bad.  What happened? Some people revel, cheer and celebrate with glee at this person’s demise.  Other people wait and see and are willing to give a second chance to person A.  Person A perhaps makes good on this opportunity and a good chunk of the community recognizes the challenge and the attempt to do right going forward.

 

Person B behaves in wack job way.  Is accused of many bad things.  Is considered unreliable.  Given chance after chance after chance after chance.  Makes people regret the time and energy invested in him.  Has a persona of being a jackass.  Then does something bad.  People say - that fits.  He is just that person.  No 8th chance given.  Still considered a jackass.

Seems about right.  The feigned outrage of a double standard is amusing.

Idk man....if person b has been clean for years and years and in good standing with uww, the goal posts shouldn't move so much they can't state facts

See not only is it a double standard ....it's also a different standard with different goalposts and rules 

Now again, im still trying to find the novels of Scripture and moral authorities for Downey 

Edited 4 hours ago by alliseeisgold

[Mr. PeanutButter]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

Stolen form an anonymous post on minnow.  So.  Caveat.  Caveat.  Caveat.  But I’ve heard or read she was a body builder a few times.  There is a pic of her.  She is a 60 year old body builder.  I’ll try to post but the powers that be don’t let me post pics.  
 

quote from minnow page 

“For everyone wondering. This is the undercover female cop that lured in Kyle Snyder, but 20 years ago. She’s almost 60 years old now practically a senior citizen. And Snyder looked at a photo of her and said to himself, “yeah I’ll risk everything to pay her for unprotected sex tonight”. Homeboy is a psychopath”

 

https://usamuscle.com/women/products/detail.php?ProductID=23033

C'mon brother you know better than to trust the toxic sludge that floats in that pond

[UsedToBe103]

10 hours ago, Caveira said:

Stay classy Carter starocci.   I bet Carl is very happy about the amazing young men he is molding into classy upstanding adults.  
 

now this.    it’s interesting As he’s insulting prostitutes while defending his virtue signaling buddy for ….. slangin prostitutes?    

Exactly. I'm sure Starocci and Barr wouldn't be defending the same actions if it was done by someone from say, Iowa or Okie State.

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

C'mon brother you know better than to trust the toxic sludge that floats in that pond

So you think this is fake ?   It went from.  Crazy rumor.  To maybe.  To what.  To crayyyy to I can’t believe Kyle got a hooker.  To the sludge is it’s an old azz body builder.  It doesn’t matter whom he bought from a holier than thou hooker perspective … at least if you are his wife kids mother brother cousins family or pastor …. The sludge is she’s old and lifts heavy things?

[Caveira]

10 minutes ago, UsedToBe103 said:

Exactly. I'm sure Starocci and Barr wouldn't be defending the same actions if it was done by someone from say, Iowa or Okie State.

A zillion % you are correct.  Also.  The psu blue glasses people would be way more aggressive about fire brands if this was Iowa.   Morality is shyte at Iowa bla bla bla.   For the most part the hard core psu fans are silent on this.  Which is what they are usually Fair weather fans to the max.  

Edited 3 hours ago by Caveira

[BarSeries]

 

[alliseeisgold]

6 minutes ago, Caveira said:

A zillion % you are correct.  Also.  The psu blue glasses people would be way more aggressive about fire brands.  Morality is shyte at Iowa bla bla bla.   For the most part the hard core psu dans are silent on this.  Which is what they are usually.  Fair weather fans to the max.  

Sounds just like how people treat Downey vs Snyder. 

I actually think people were bagging on pd even way back then let alone offering support lol

It didn't even become about legalities or what was right or fair. People wanted to see pd go down because they thought he's a douche 

If Snyder has another incident of some sort, you won't see people happy and glad to see it like with pd. It will be sadness and sorrow. 

The double standard is so so wide 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, alliseeisgold said:

Sounds just like how people treat Downey vs Snyder. 

I actually think people were bagging on pd even way back then let alone offering support lol

It didn't even become about legalities or what was right or fair. People wanted to see pd go down because they thought he's a douche 

If Snyder has another incident of some sort, you won't see people happy and glad to see it like with pd. It will be sadness and sorrow. 

The double standard is so so wide 

No one cares about downy.  Like literally no one.   You know that right?  
 

He’s not gonna win a medal.  He’s not in shape.  He’s not gonna win anything.  He skips events he registers for.  He is sort of trash.     That isn’t even his criminal crap.  
 

we know there is an 83% chance you are pd3 looking for your last chance at some 11 minutes of fame.  You aren’t gonna even get 15.  

[alliseeisgold]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

No one cares about downy.  Like literally no one.   You know that right?  
 

He’s not gonna win a medal.  He’s not in shape.  He’s not gonna win anything.  He skips events he registers for.  He is sort of trash.     That isn’t even his criminal crap.  
 

we know there is an 83% chance you are pd3 looking for your last chance at some 11 minutes of fame.  You aren’t gonna even get 15.  

Do you think God approves of this ?

Does God believe support our brothers all the same, or only the ones we like.

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, alliseeisgold said:

Do you think God approves of this ?

Does God believe support our brothers all the same, or only the ones we like.

God doesn’t care about wrestling.  Or sports.    He doesn’t care you are pd3.  And he most def does not care about pd3

Edited 3 hours ago by Caveira

[1032004]

26 minutes ago, Caveira said:

So you think this is fake ?   It went from.  Crazy rumor.  To maybe.  To what.  To crayyyy to I can’t believe Kyle got a hooker.  To the sludge is it’s an old azz body builder.  It doesn’t matter whom he bought from a holier than thou hooker perspective … at least if you are his wife kids mother brother cousins family or pastor …. The sludge is she’s old and lifts heavy things?

The cop listed on the arrest record does appear to have done bodybuilding in the past.  However,

1) No guarantee that is the one that posed as the prostitute.  I’d honestly guess not if she was undercover

2) Those photos towards the top seem to be of multiple different people.  In the link, the one matching the name is the one doing a push up but you can’t really see her face..

[Spencerlee]

Carter tweeting out a bible verse than posting like his actual self is the most PSU thing ever. Bunch of phonies.

[alliseeisgold]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

God doesn’t care about wrestling.  Or sports.    He doesn’t care you are pd3.  And he most def does not care about pd3

Wild cause God seems to be at the forefront of the battleground on the Snyder situation

Snyder stuff has exploded into a volcano of pundits and preachers who are delivering the message. Essays, and houlier than yous. Everyone is exposing themselves as making these kinds of mistakes which is crazy. I actually haven't done something this bad as Snyder but that's just me personally. 

Its like some movie where Snyder has put a plant in everyone's brains to start speaking gospel. 

Snyder is a hypocrite caught in a prostitution sting......

What does that make everyone else ? Who didn't speak out for others (Downey)

All that to say......the message and debate of the Snyder case isn't this complicated

 And can be done in a way without all the God fearing mountain top make it about me look at me im self righteous believe in God but I also do horrible mistakes etc but it's ok because I'm a Christian. wow sounds just like Snyder before he got busted !

 

 

[Spencerlee]

41 minutes ago, Caveira said:

A zillion % you are correct.  Also.  The psu blue glasses people would be way more aggressive about fire brands if this was Iowa.   Morality is shyte at Iowa bla bla bla.   For the most part the hard core psu fans are silent on this.  Which is what they are usually Fair weather fans to the max.  

This wouldn't happen at Iowa, so we'll never know.