Anyone hear something crazy recently?

[nhs67]

1 minute ago, happyvalet said:

systemically incorrect, huh? that's a new one

You're clearly new here and ignorant.  That's okay.  You can learn.

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

TEENJUS!

Thank god someone got the joke !!!

my wife sings the misbehaving song sometimes while driving the car or doing the dishes.  Or normal whatever house stuff. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Caveira

[nhs67]

1 minute ago, happyvalet said:

the pictures they posted online were so enticing, no man could resist

Did you see the pictures?  Asking for a friend.

[HokieDave87]

31 minutes ago, happyvalet said:

in other words you made it up in your head. ok

So the standard we're going off of is that the vast majority of prostitution is between sane consenting adults and the burden to prove otherwise is on me? I'm not a judge or a juror so I can't sentence the guy to a crime but my (extremely logical and widely accepted) opinion for the sake of this message board is that sane adults don't generally sell their body for sex illegally.

[happyvalet]

1 minute ago, nhs67 said:

Did you see the pictures?  Asking for a friend.

had to avert my eyes to remain (partially) sane

[nhs67]

Just now, HokieDave87 said:

So the standard we're going off of is that the vast majority of prostitution is between sane consenting adults and the burden to prove otherwise is on me? I'm not a judge or a juror so I can't sentence the guy to a crime but my (extremely logical and widely accepted) opinion for the sake of this message board is that sane adults don't generally sell their body for sex illegally.

He's having a bad day.

Mum took his gamecube away.

[happyvalet]

1 minute ago, HokieDave87 said:

my (extremely logical and widely accepted) opinion

that may be true, but this phrase made me laugh. gonna have to steal that one

[happyvalet]

1 minute ago, nhs67 said:

He's having a bad day.

Mum took his gamecube away.

she told you? tell that ***** to give it back

[nhs67]

Just now, happyvalet said:

that may be true, but this phrase made me laugh. gonna have to steal that one

Acro it.  My ELAWA opinion...

 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

6 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

TEENJUS!

I was thinking Baby Billy's Bible Bonkers

[happyvalet]

4 minutes ago, HokieDave87 said:

So the standard we're going off of is that the vast majority of prostitution is between sane consenting adults and the burden to prove otherwise is on me? I'm not a judge or a juror so I can't sentence the guy to a crime but my (extremely logical and widely accepted) opinion for the sake of this message board is that sane adults don't generally sell their body for sex illegally.

people do a lot of things for money. we all sell our time, our minds, and our bodies in one way or another.

[nhs67]

3 minutes ago, happyvalet said:

had to avert my eyes to remain (partially) sane

 

Just now, happyvalet said:

she told you? tell that ***** to give it back

Now you're getting it.  We're all just here for fun, man.  Don't let us get you all worked up and hung up on semantics.

Also, ~95% of us generally have the same opinions on ethics ~95% of the time.  We aren't a complicated bunch, mate.

Get us talking actual wrestling, though?  Gloves: OFF.

[happyvalet]

8 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Thank god someone got the joke !!!

my wife sings the misbehaving song sometimes while driving the car or doing the dishes.  Or normal whatever house stuff. 

it's dangerously catchy. your mere mention of it will have it in my head for the rest of the evening

[bnwtwg]

1 minute ago, nhs67 said:

 

Now you're getting it.  We're all just here for fun, man.  Don't let us get you all worked up and hung up on semantics.

Also, ~95% of us generally have the same opinions on ethics ~95% of the time.  We aren't a complicated bunch, mate.

Get us talking actual wrestling, though?  Gloves: OFF.

Obviously some folks can't handle the tough reality of today's wrestling: ankle picks are out, dragnets are where it's at if you want to take a guy down 

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, happyvalet said:

it's dangerously catchy. your mere mention of it will have it in my head for the rest of the evening

I’ve done good work today then.  

[scourge165]

2 hours ago, Caveira said:

4% short of an amazing 83%

That was an odd post. 

I'm skeptical...about the number that's "trafficked." At least in the traditional way you associate the word, but when you see 50% of those who are-are under 18 years old and even the numbers from Law Enforcement that I've seen, 35-40%, that's bad enough. 

I'd also be a little annoyed with a former teammate speaking for me unless he was a very good friend or I asked him to say something because I couldn't just yet. I think the blaming of his wife has GOT to be someone thinking they're funny...and failing. Just a tacky comment, but I'm curious how prevalent that was or if he just amplified the stupidity of those comments. If you see one person making that comment, leave it alone. It's not worth giving it more air. Also, I don't think people are "victimizing" Kyle. I don't generally love the tone. Even pointing out the hypocrisy. The public image and how this contradicts that. That was one of my first thoughts. "Kyle would want, Kyle would not want."

Let Kyle speak for himself. Kyle would want that...
 

[scourge165]

57 minutes ago, happyvalet said:

you made zero points, only insults. who's the idiot?

The consensus seems to be...you. You're the idiot. 

I haven't read this thread all that deeply, but...I've picked up on that. 

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

That was an odd post. 

I'm skeptical...about the number that's "trafficked." At least in the traditional way you associate the word, but when you see 50% of those who are-are under 18 years old and even the numbers from Law Enforcement that I've seen, 35-40%, that's bad enough. 

I'd also be a little annoyed with a former teammate speaking for me unless he was a very good friend or I asked him to say something because I couldn't just yet. I think the blaming of his wife has GOT to be someone thinking they're funny...and failing. Just a tacky comment, but I'm curious how prevalent that was or if he just amplified the stupidity of those comments. If you see one person making that comment, leave it alone. It's not worth giving it more air. Also, I don't think people are "victimizing" Kyle. I don't generally love the tone. Even pointing out the hypocrisy. The public image and how this contradicts that. That was one of my first thoughts. "Kyle would want, Kyle would not want."

Let Kyle speak for himself. Kyle would want that...
 

I’ve no idea if 79 is true for the record boss 

[happyvalet]

Just now, Caveira said:

I’ve no idea if 79 is true for the record boss 

it appears the figure comes from something that said 79% of global human trafficking victims are sexually exploited. he made it sound like 79% of sex workers are being trafficked

[BAC]

2 hours ago, ckwrestler said:

take it from a 6 to a 10 when you consider that most sex trade workers in the US are forced in to it and are trafficked, and he went in to the encounter likely being aware of this fact.

Also curious where BAC got the "very small percentage" from, or how it's possible to minimize the crime of trafficking?  https://deliverfund.org/blog/facts-about-human-trafficking-in-united-states/ 

There's a lot of data on my "very small percentage" comment.  One of the more reputable studies was run by the NIH.  For prostitutes who were 18 or older, 4.6% reported being "coerced, threatened, pressured, misled, tricked, or physically forced into trading sex."  The number goes up to 21% for prostitutes under 18.  Study here:  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7305278/.  There's also a number of studies that have found that since Congress passed the wildly regressive FOSTA-SESTA laws, these coerced/underage prostitutes are now working the streets, and aren't advertising online (See e.g. NIJ study here:  https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/unconventional-wisdom-research-shakes-assumptions-about-sex-trafficking-clues).  The "good news", I guess, is that the online ads have cleaned up, but the bad news is that underage sex traffickers are now much harder to catch, and victims harder to save.

As for "how it's possible to minimize trafficking," see my other posts.  First you need to understand what's included in "trafficking" before you have this conversation.  It isn't just "people being taken against their will," which is a real problem, but rare (see above).  Rather, "trafficking" is often used to include escorts traveling for work in conjunction with others -- which of course is virtually *all* escorts. It's a term used to demonize, when it's actually just describing virtually the entire sex industry, in which the vast majority are participating voluntarily.

Although there's a lot of data on this, there's also a lot of bad data.  You need to look at actual reputable peer-reviewed journals, not advocacy groups or people trying to sell stuff.  For example, your website above is published by a company that sells software to police departments looking to crack down on prostitution (see https://deliverfund.org/about/).  Take a wild guess what financial incentive is?

If you really care about the subject, I suggest you do some homework about how best to destigmatize the women who *want* to be in that industry, and how best to identify and help those who are underage or otherwise *not* there voluntarily.  Once you do that, you'll understand where my posts are coming from.

Edited 5 hours ago by BAC

[happyvalet]

10 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

The consensus seems to be...you. You're the idiot. 

I haven't read this thread all that deeply, but...I've picked up on that. 

it's funny that the people who are insulting me are doing it without any supporting reasoning 

 

14 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Let Kyle speak for himself. Kyle would want that...

painful for me to be called an idiot by the guy who immediately violates the rule he just set out for everyone

[BAC]

1 hour ago, BruceyB said:

We can agree to disagree. I have a darker view of how many women end up in this industry in the first place. And that is the root of our disagreement.

That's fine. Not looking to argue.  But consider doing your homework or read the studies I linked. What you think you know, may not match very well with the reality of the situation.  

[scourge165]

24 minutes ago, HokieDave87 said:

So the standard we're going off of is that the vast majority of prostitution is between sane consenting adults and the burden to prove otherwise is on me? I'm not a judge or a juror so I can't sentence the guy to a crime but my (extremely logical and widely accepted) opinion for the sake of this message board is that sane adults don't generally sell their body for sex illegally.

I don't know... look at OF girls. Also...what about Vegas? Is it the doing it illegally that you find it hard to believe or is it just the act?

I think a lot of people who will make money the "easy" way. Maybe they will say, 'hey, I made a G today,' and you'd say, 'but you made it in a sleazy way.' That's just the way it is. We gotta start making changes!

 

Seriously though, of course...a lot of people will exploit others as well. That's also an easy way to make money I guess. I'm skeptical that sex trafficking is as prevalent as some are inferring, but...it kinda seems like the best solution to this and most realistic would be just to legalize it. I really can't imagine a more...tortured life than being forced into prostitution, but it does seem to me that Bunny Ranch in Vegas...those ARE consenting adults. How sane they are, that seems relative. 

 

[scourge165]

17 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I’ve no idea if 79 is true for the record boss 

I know, I was just commenting on the post you shared. 

 

[scourge165]

8 minutes ago, happyvalet said:

painful for me to be called an idiot by the guy who immediately violates the rule he just set out for everyone

Look up the word Facetious for me there bud. It'll be your word for the day. 

 

I'm also not sure where I made up "rules" for everyone, but...sure, lets treat it as though I set up a "rule."

12 minutes ago, happyvalet said:

it's funny that the people who are insulting me are doing it without any supporting reasoning 

See above. Prior to this...I wasn't calling you an idiot, simply pointing out what the consensus seemed to be. 

I am starting to see the perspective of the rest of the board however.