Anyone hear something crazy recently?

[Caveira]

25 minutes ago, happyvalet said:

yeah. you take a physical infidelity (what he did) and an emotional affair (what he didn't do) and combine them for a full-on affair. it's reasonable to think it's worse to have both than to have only one. even if you disagree, it isn't a hard concept to understand for anyone with an IQ above room temperature 

What about the rumors that he has been doing this for 6+ years and tOSU helped cover up past incidents?   

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, Gus said:

Here is the proper kind of response from KS former teammate.

 

4% short of an amazing 83%

[BruceyB]

24 minutes ago, BAC said:

Your point is well taken and, I would submit, precisely why it should be decriminalized. If so, then every prostitute would be required to register as such, undergo testing, pay her taxes, not walk the streets, be subject to regulation.  It would clean up the profession, and subject them to the same sorts of rights and responsibilities that porn actors/actresses have.

The whole reason that human trafficking exists, and that we have women being coerced into systems of prostitution with abusive pimps, is that the entire industry operates in this shadowy underworld.  It isn't hard to find them: just hop on Google and you'll find thousands of listings for escorts, right out in the open.  There's a fraction of that -- hopefully a small one -- where it isn't really consensual, as the women are underage, or imported from overseas and forced into this line of work.  But the police NEVER go after them, since they can't tell which is which. The police don't want to deal with it get away with it because they don't see the point of sticking their nose into a primarily consensual industry, and they are terrified to going after them, ruining lives, having politicians who partake in the industry come after their heads. So they leave it alone, except in the rare instance that someone's operation becomes *too* visible and someone complains.  

But imagine if it were decriminalized, and prostitutes required to register, be tested, and pay taxes, as in places like Belgium, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nevada.  Then anyone who posts an ad without their registration number, the cops know to *immediately* go after, since they know that person's not legit and might be underage or a victim of coercion/abuse.

That's a win-win for everyone.  It means women who are abuse victim are apt to be located and their abusers prosecuted, while women and their clients who are doing this fully consensually can do so in peace.  As added bonuses, the spread of disease is curtailed, and we add some money to the treasury income tax, as these ladies ought to pay their fair share just like everyone else.

You're creating a straw man. No one said that prostitution should be illegal. They said that it currently is heavily connected to human trafficking. You can't excuse Kyle Snyder's solicitation of a prostitute because you believe it should be a regulated industry.

[happyvalet]

17 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

how can "in most cases" it be a misdemeanor and also a "patently false" statement by saying its a felony? Did you see the charges? Do you know for certain his charges are a misdemeanor? 

you said it was a felony. show me the felony charges. show me the reporting that aligns with a felony charge. what has been published fits the description of a misdemeanor. it was also reported that he was released at the scene, which fits with a misdemeanor offense.

[Rassling2]

3 hours ago, BAC said:

Thoughts:

--It's just so stupid that this is even illegal.  It happens legally thousands of times a day in the porn world and the OnlyFans world (and in parts of Nevada and Maine), and thousands more a day in the "arrangements"/"sugar daddy" world, and it's barely a rounding error a way from what happens millions of times a day, e.g. men buying dinner and sort of getting something in return, and women seducing wealthier men for access to his wallet. Much of human history is built on men who provide best being the ones who get ass.  Where, as here, there's no indicia the person lacked the capacity to consent, it is a simple business transaction, morally indistinguishable from paying someone to mow your lawn.   So I'm sorry, but I just can't bring it upon myself to be even remotely troubled by this as I don't see it being in any way wrong.  It's a crime, but right up there in seriousness with jaywalking and loitering.  The people acting all butthurt about this are ridiculous.

--I'd always happy to make an exception for the religious preachy types when they're abject hypocrites, but does it here?  Not that I can see.  I don't doubt that he's a devout Christian, and trying to live a Christian life, doesn't mean he's criticizing the lifestyles of others who aren't devout Christians and saying we're all going to hell, nor is he out there trying to jack up the penalties for prostitution or preaching against it.  I'm only bothered when the religious right tries to shove morals down my throat that they themselves won't adhere to. Maybe he violated his own professed beliefs, but that's between him and himself.  I just have no reason to care.

--He's probably in hot water with his wife, but truthfully, we don't even know that.  For all we know, she signed off on it or agreed to look the other way, as maybe there's things she can't or won't do. Or maybe not -- maybe she's furious and ready to rip his nuts off, but once again, that's solely between them.  I'm not willing to make any judgments about his marriage any more than I will about his morality. 

--I'm sure his PR people will help him write up some big public apology, talking about how he let down his wife and kids and his God, how he'll try to do better and live his life according to God's plan, blah blah blah, but none of that changes the above.  That's understandable, as the sponsors will expect it.  But it won't change what I said above.

Bottom line:  For his own mental health and personal happiness, I hope he's able to conform his conduct to his beliefs and his commitments to his wife, but it makes zero difference to me if that entails changing his conduct or changing his beliefs/commitments.

 

Well said, and thanks because that’s as far as I’m reading - flush the other 6 thread pages down the toilet.

[Hammerlock3]

4 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

You're creating a straw man. No one said that prostitution should be illegal. They said that it currently is heavily connected to human trafficking. You can't excuse Kyle Snyder's solicitation of a prostitute because you believe it should be a regulated industry.

I almost want to poll how important the fact that he is married is to people in this context, for me it makes it takes it from a 2 to a 6 on the bad person scale.

[Caveira]

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[TNwrestling]

10 minutes ago, happyvalet said:

you said it was a felony. show me the felony charges. show me the reporting that aligns with a felony charge. what has been published fits the description of a misdemeanor. it was also reported that he was released at the scene, which fits with a misdemeanor offense.

and YOU said that was patently false...so unless you've seen the actual charges then you cannot be for sure that it is patently false, can you?

[BAC]

25 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

You're creating a straw man. No one said that prostitution should be illegal. They said that it currently is heavily connected to human trafficking. You can't excuse Kyle Snyder's solicitation of a prostitute because you believe it should be a regulated industry.

Huh?  If you don't think prostitution should be illegal, then why are you jumping all over Snyder for doing something that you think should be legalized?

If your point is that Snyder shouldn't have been soliciting someone who wasn't capable of consent, such as someone underage or mentally ill, then I'd agree with you -- if it were true.  But it's pretty obviously NOT true, or else he'd have been charged for that.  He wasn't.  It's just a garden variety case of someone texting an escort who has an ad up, goes there, pays her, whoops it's a cop. That's it.

So yes, I absolutely can excuse the conduct, at least criminally, because I think it's a disgrace that it's a crime at all.  And, moreover, it's a problem that is readily solvable, if you preachy religious types would get off your high horse long enough to do something (decriminalization) that respects personal and economic liberty, stops patronizing women, increases public health, increases tax revenue, and, by virtual of mandatory registration, enables police to easily spot women who are NOT in the business consensually.

Edited May 12 by BAC

[bnwtwg]

12 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

I almost want to poll how important the fact that he is married is to people in this context, for me it makes it takes it from a 2 to a 6 on the bad person scale.

I'm pretty certain it's because the whole jesus thing is shoved down everyone's throats nonstop. How was your ankle pick? Thanks to god. How do you defend an underhook? Mine's powered by the lord. 100% jesus. Etc Etc Etc.

If you're going to talk that much talk then you better walk the walk. Because not all of us believe what you believe, so don't be a hypocrite in a terribly public way.

[happyvalet]

2 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

and YOU said that was patently false...so unless you've seen the actual charges then you cannot be for sure that it is patently false, can you?

it is patently false to describe what has been reported as a felony. there could be more details yet to be reported that could make it rise to the level of a felony, but as reported, that is false. just take the L and move on dude. 

[bnwtwg]

Just now, happyvalet said:

it is patently false to describe what has been reported as a felony. there could be more details yet to be reported that could make it rise to the level of a felony, but as reported, that is false. just take the L and move on dude. 

You have the best username of the day. Kudos and a hat tip!

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, BAC said:

if Kyle Snyder the preachy religious type

Ftfu

[Hammerlock3]

5 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

I'm pretty certain it's because the whole jesus thing is shoved down everyone's throats nonstop. How was your ankle pick? Thanks to god. How do you defend an underhook? Mine's powered by the lord. 100% jesus. Etc Etc Etc.

If you're going to talk that much talk then you better walk the walk. Because not all of us believe what you believe, so don't be a hypocrite in a terribly public way.

Yeah earlier I got into my feelings on that. To me (and I'm not semantically correct on this point), i wouldn't call him a hypocrite unless I thought he was being consciously dishonest when he brought up faith. I'm probably giving him more credit than most would at this point but I think he's just a dude who screwed up......however if someone asked me if I thought this was the first time, and how that affected my opinion I'd have to start squirming. 

[RandolphTJones]

35 minutes ago, Caveira said:

4% short of an amazing 83%

I don’t take much into account what Johnni D says. 

[wrestle87]

1 hour ago, alliseeisgold said:

Snyder rubbed alot of people off

Phrasing...

[PortaJohn]

20 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

I'm pretty certain it's because the whole jesus thing is shoved down everyone's throats nonstop. How was your ankle pick? Thanks to god. How do you defend an underhook? Mine's powered by the lord. 100% jesus. Etc Etc Etc.

If you're going to talk that much talk then you better walk the walk. Because not all of us believe what you believe, so don't be a hypocrite in a terribly public way.

Ah man, you broke character.  Get back on the horse and fire off those zingers

[Caveira]

9 minutes ago, RandolphTJones said:

I don’t take much into account what Johnni D says. 

Why ?   No idea what he’s like.  He said 79% of prostitutes  have some sort of tie to trafficking.   I just made the 83% joke is all.  

[Doublehalf]

Definitely don't think it would be quite as bad publicly if it weren't for religion/god/bible always being so in your face like it has been with a lot of these guys...

I can't even begin to imagine athletes in another sport wearing all this 100% Jesus trained apparel which I find very odd but also not saying it doesn't happen.

 

This reminds me a bit of people like Tiger Woods/Lance Armstrong etc... that put out a squeaky clean image only to be found out to be much different in their personal life. I also don't think this was a one off mistake...

One thing is certain for me however and that is I will never be able to look at him the same way again without thinking of this first whether that's fair or not... He may make a comeback eventually but the damage is certainly done to his reputation on a broader scale regardless how you feel about prostitution and cheating on your wife all while proclaiming to follow in the lords footsteps...

 

[BruceyB]

6 minutes ago, BAC said:

If you don't think prostitution should be illegal, then why are you jumping all over Snyder for doing something that you think should be legalized?

Because it is illegal and there is absolutely a chance that if this wasn't a sting, that Kyle Snyder would have been soliciting prostitution from someone that was trafficked into the industry. He is participating in what is currently a very toxic exchange that often involves a party that is only "willing" due to fear of the repercussions if they don't. 

I get what you're saying. If two consenting adults want to have sex with a monetary exchange, that should be legal.

However, soliciting a black market service that relies heavily on human trafficking to provide sex workers? Yes, I absolutely have a problem with that.

He shouldn't be excused because there should be a better system in place. He participated in what is currently a very dark and sad industry.

And that's only what I think of him and the crime.. the fact that he would do this while having a wife and two kids at home is where it becomes a real scumbag act.

[BruceyB]

18 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

Yeah earlier I got into my feelings on that. To me (and I'm not semantically correct on this point), i wouldn't call him a hypocrite unless I thought he was being consciously dishonest when he brought up faith. I'm probably giving him more credit than most would at this point but I think he's just a dude who screwed up......however if someone asked me if I thought this was the first time, and how that affected my opinion I'd have to start squirming. 

I don't think anyone in their late 20s just gets a wild hair one day and decides to order a hooker. There is likely a lot of things that led to this, and I don't think those are going to make this news any more palatable. Typically when someone gets caught in a situation like this, there is a lot more that comes out after the initial discovery. 

[AnklePicker]

46 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

I almost want to poll how important the fact that he is married is to people in this context, for me it makes it takes it from a 2 to a 6 on the bad person scale.

It makes it much worse for me. Add on to it his religious fervor…it’s a big time smh moment.  

[lisa morales]

I would let him pay me and then pray for me.  

[alex1fly]

42 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

I'm pretty certain it's because the whole jesus thing is shoved down everyone's throats nonstop. How was your ankle pick? Thanks to god. How do you defend an underhook? Mine's powered by the lord. 100% jesus. Etc Etc Etc.

If you're going to talk that much talk then you better walk the walk. Because not all of us believe what you believe, so don't be a hypocrite in a terribly public way.

There has to be a punchline in here about Jesus wanting him to wrestle doggystyle. Or maybe Jesus said folkstyle and he misheard it as f*ckstyle. Is anyone here good with jokes?

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, alex1fly said:

There has to be a punchline in here about Jesus wanting him to wrestle doggystyle. Or maybe Jesus said folkstyle and he misheard it as f*ckstyle. Is anyone here good with jokes?

There are some early memes on the minnow page I don’t care to post here.