Bo Nickal got wrecked

[Caveira]

Bad angle yes.   But he sure does look smaller 

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/19DfqiKLuM/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

 

@scourge165

 

Does it matter?

I never understand why in the midst of one of the hottest threads, people who have...no real role come in and try and dictate what the appropriate forum would be to move this topic to. 

• None of us have a real role here lmao.

I also don't understand what the cute little quip was about him being a former wrestler or a former COLLEGE WRESTLER, as though they're mutually exclusive. 

• Because this is a COLLEGE WRESTLING board, not a FORMER WRESTLER board.

I don't know what your point is. What difference does it make to you?

I also remember threads about the best HS Wrestlers ever...in the COLLLEGE WRESTLING forums. 

• And that should not have been on this board either, but the HS wrestling board.

If you're the ONLY person bothered by it, just suck it up...or...again, go to the MMA forum. 

• I don't care about MMA, which is why I come to the COLLEGE WRESTLING forum, to get the news on COLLEGE WRESTLING. Pretty easy concept to grasp.

You’re just triggered cause people are bagging on psu people…. And don’t like people celebrating bo getting smashed.  

[Boring]

37 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

From the eye test, Bo absolutely looks significantly smaller than his comp in MMA. They are known to do ridiculous weight cuts (take a look at Alex Pereira for example, somehow he made 170 and he looks massive for 185) which is probably part of it. With that being said, Bo has never looked very intimidating from a size or muscle point of view. He's always looked smaller and less ripped than his competition and it's never held him back (him vs Gabe Dean for example). Very unintimidating physically. 

Bo has never looked jacked. He's still obviously very strong for his size or he'd have never did what he did in college wrestling though. I saw him one arm throw a guy in a college match one time, which astounded me. 

Sometimes the really strong dudes don't show it in muscle size. Chris Barnes is another one who doesn't show his strength either, some of you guys might remember him. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

56 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

From the eye test, Bo absolutely looks significantly smaller than his comp in MMA. They are known to do ridiculous weight cuts (take a look at Alex Pereira for example, somehow he made 170 and he looks massive for 185) which is probably part of it. With that being said, Bo has never looked very intimidating from a size or muscle point of view. He's always looked smaller and less ripped than his competition and it's never held him back (him vs Gabe Dean for example). Very unintimidating physically. 

I agree with everything you said except Pereira never made 170 in UFC

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, charmon55 said:

Yeah UFC fighters cut a ton of weight since they weigh in a day before the fight. Gives them plenty of time to hydrate and get their energy back. I would estimate that most 185lb fighters cut around 25lbs the week of the fight. 185lb champ, Dricus Du Plessis, walks around 230lbs outside of training camp. 

Yeah, because losing 3.5 pounds per day for a week is just like losing 1/2 pound *per hour* for 72 straight hours.

[pokemonster]

44 minutes ago, charmon55 said:

To be fair, Bo was reacting that way because of the body shots. de Ridder was lighting Bo's liver up before that exchange where Bo had his hands down in the clinch. He was trying to protect his body. Even high level UFC fighters will react that way to clean liver shots. Look at Jeremy Stephens vs Jose Aldo, Brandon Moreno vs Kai Kara France, Barbosa vs Hooker, the list goes on. 

No doubt liver shots are devastating... it was hard for me to tell if he was cringing from those shots or the soft face shots he was getting hit with, or both. If it was both, that has me a little worried about his comfortability with getting it. 

[pokemonster]

6 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I agree with everything you said except Pereira never made 170 in UFC

Whoops, I guess he was 185 and 205. 

[Winners Circle]

6 minutes ago, Caveira said:

You’re just triggered cause people are bagging on psu people…. And don’t like people celebrating bo getting smashed.  

I actually don't like Bo or PSU. I didn't even know he lost, but am glad he did. He annoys the hell out of me. I've been on the record saying I'm an OKST fan. 

[headshuck]

Maybe he lost his confidence a week ago and scripted the weight loss story.

[charmon55]

9 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

Yeah, because losing 3.5 pounds per day for a week is just like losing 1/2 pound *per hour* for 72 straight hours.

Sure, I guess I should've been more specific. Most fighters will lose most of that 25lbs within 72 hours of weigh-ins. 

[scourge165]

19 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

None of us have a real role here lmao.

Then stop trying to police what we talk about and where we talk about it...

[pokemonster]

I did my best to create a thread in the MMA forum and it failed.... sigh...

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

I am certainly not a fan of Bo's personality or his act.  Obviously a great wrestler.  I do root for him to win in the UFC.

But that fight was really really bad.  He was tiny and tbh was losing a lot of wrestling positions.  RDR was often controlling the ties (bodylocks) and was bullying Bo in the clinch.  RDR was also able to use his ties to dictate where the action took place (up against the cage).  Bo should be better from these positions.

[scourge165]

10 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

I actually don't like Bo or PSU. I didn't even know he lost, but am glad he did. He annoys the hell out of me. I've been on the record saying I'm an OKST fan. 

I thought you were pretty bothered by this conversation as you don't care about MMA and come here to get updates on College Wrestling(during the height of College Wrestling News in MAY)...

[VakAttack]

3 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I am certainly not a fan of Bo's personality or his act.  Obviously a great wrestler.  I do root for him to win in the UFC.

But that fight was really really bad.  He was tiny and tbh was losing a lot of wrestling positions.  RDR was often controlling the ties (bodylocks) and was bullying Bo in the clinch.  RDR was also able to use his ties to dictate where the action took place (up against the cage).  Bo should be better from these positions.

Agreed.  After watching the fight, Bo just got straight bullied.  Wrestling in the MMA context is different than just wrestling (obvious statement, I know) because you can get punched, kicked, and kneed.  Bo got whooped here, he can bounce back but it will require some humility in assessing what he needs to shore up.

[scourge165]

21 minutes ago, charmon55 said:

Sure, I guess I should've been more specific. Most fighters will lose most of that 25lbs within 72 hours of weigh-ins. 

That's...just insane. 

I've cut a lot of weight(or so I thought)...and the most I've lost was...13-15 pounds in the last 3 days and maybe 10 pounds the night before. 25 pounds in 72 hours is...WILD. 

[pokemonster]

7 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I am certainly not a fan of Bo's personality or his act.  Obviously a great wrestler.  I do root for him to win in the UFC.

But that fight was really really bad.  He was tiny and tbh was losing a lot of wrestling positions.  RDR was often controlling the ties (bodylocks) and was bullying Bo in the clinch.  RDR was also able to use his ties to dictate where the action took place (up against the cage).  Bo should be better from these positions.

Do you know if Bo does much training with MMA guys or is he just training with his yes man crew in state college? All the clips I've seen are him training with Cassar and Carter Starocci and such, which sure they're great athletes, but they're not experienced MMA fighters... I know he's got some MMA coaches there, but if I recall, his striking coach is also an up and comer trying to get into MMA. 

[Mr. PeanutButter]

11 hours ago, VakAttack said:

The unmitigated gall to demand that Iowa fans have to root for Bo Nickal in the UFC, lol.  I don't personally care, I only check in on MMA these days when a high level wrestler is going, but Bo spends a lot of time, up into the most recent wrestling season, talking sh!t about the Iowa program.  I wasn't rooting for him to lose (or win for that matter) but if a bunch of Iowa fans rooted against him...well he earned that.  And apparently he's running a "I'm better than you" heel persona, which has (from my reading of the Tweets last night) not endeared him to the pure MMA fans, either.

You should ask this on FRL

[Boring]

4 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

That's...just insane. 

I've cut a lot of weight(or so I thought)...and the most I've lost was...13-15 pounds in the last 3 days and maybe 10 pounds the night before. 25 pounds in 72 hours is...WILD. 

I don't know why guys do that. I lost 20 pounds in less than a week one time and I was as weak as a baby on the mat for a couple weeks after. Seems like maintaining your weight around the competition weight would be best, to me. 

[scourge165]

1 minute ago, VakAttack said:

Agreed.  After watching the fight, Bo just got straight bullied.  Wrestling in the MMA context is different than just wrestling (obvious statement, I know) because you can get punched, kicked, and kneed.  Bo got whooped here, he can bounce back but it will require some humility in assessing what he needs to shore up.

I feel like this is an area where a certain type of Wrestler does better. More of a brawler and...I really don't mean this as a dig on NIckal, but...he wasn't the most physical. David Taylor Id say the same thing about or most of those guys. 

Now Aaron Brooks...I feel like...aside from the fact that he'd never have the reach advantage, his style would work or Starocci maybe. Zain. I feel like he'd be a pretty scrapy fighter, but...I don't know how much all this funk really helps in MMA. 

[Caveira]

12 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

That's...just insane. 

I've cut a lot of weight(or so I thought)...and the most I've lost was...13-15 pounds in the last 3 days and maybe 10 pounds the night before. 25 pounds in 72 hours is...WILD. 

I almost asked this question earlier.   Has the 1 hour weigh rule in ncaa wrestling made modern wrestlers soft when it comes to weight cutting?

note: I’m not suggesting ncaa change the rule and go back…. Just curious as people think these weight cuts are super crazy but happened a lot back in the day. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

12 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Do you know if Bo does much training with MMA guys or is he just training with his yes man crew in state college? All the clips I've seen are him training with Cassar and Carter Starocci and such, which sure they're great athletes, but they're not experienced MMA fighters... I know he's got some MMA coaches there, but if I recall, his striking coach is also an up and comer trying to get into MMA. 

He's mostly training with the yes-men in State College.  I imagine for camp, he goes down to ATT in FL and trains under the guidance of Coach Brown.

[1032004]

7 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

I feel like this is an area where a certain type of Wrestler does better. More of a brawler and...I really don't mean this as a dig on NIckal, but...he wasn't the most physical. David Taylor Id say the same thing about or most of those guys. 

Now Aaron Brooks...I feel like...aside from the fact that he'd never have the reach advantage, his style would work or Starocci maybe. Zain. I feel like he'd be a pretty scrapy fighter, but...I don't know how much all this funk really helps in MMA. 

Askren did pretty well with it…

[TNwrestling]

20 hours ago, BruceyB said:

I haven't seen or heard a word from Aaron Pico since he started fighting in Bellator. On the other hand, I can't get away from seeing Bo Nickal content. I am not going to root for an arrogant prick just because he comes from the same sport I like. He's a clown and maybe he'll be more tolerable now that he can't pretend like he'd beat anyone in the world if given the chance. The UFC has coddled him and selected opponents to help him build his reputation and anticipation of his future match-ups, and he got booed in his last fight for being so boring, and then just got embarrassed in this fight. 

he just signed with UFC a few weeks ago

 

https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/44593073/aaron-pico-former-bellator-star-signs-ufc

[charmon55]

5 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

I feel like this is an area where a certain type of Wrestler does better. More of a brawler and...I really don't mean this as a dig on NIckal, but...he wasn't the most physical. David Taylor Id say the same thing about or most of those guys. 

Now Aaron Brooks...I feel like...aside from the fact that he'd never have the reach advantage, his style would work or Starocci maybe. Zain. I feel like he'd be a pretty scrapy fighter, but...I don't know how much all this funk really helps in MMA. 

Yeah a lot of successful wrestler/grapplers in MMA are very physical. They stay on the gas, pressure, mix in strikes during those exchanges, they're explosive, and they stay in the opponent's face from the beginning. Examples of this would include Khamzat, Khabib, Merab, and Oliveira. Even the wrestler/grapplers who don't pressure as much, like Islam, Evloev, and Aljo Sterling are still really physical in grappling exchanges. Nickal looked to be pretty relaxed, took his time, and just wasn't as physical in those exchanges just like he was in his previous couple fights. de Ridder was on the gas that whole fight whereas Bo seemed to just be reacting, which is exhausting.