Ozempic?

[Hammerlock3]

18 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Yes, as opposed to weight cutting. 

You muscle and bone density is loss with these weight loss drugs. 

Grok says that my characterization is accurate. 

[wrestle87]

3 hours ago, Caveira said:

Humans have been cheating since the dawn of time.  Humans will continue to do so.   Even in our great sport.  In all walks of life there are cheats.   I would think there are almost no arguments to sway me of this idea.  

If it was REALLY cheating, they’d have a robust system to prevent it.  The NCAA and olympics only care to the exact amount they have to to maintain sponsorship income.  The US is one of the few countries that doesn’t have state sponsored pharmacology as part of national team training programs(that we know of).

[Caveira]

Just now, wrestle87 said:

If it was REALLY cheating, they’d have a robust system to prevent it.  The NCAA and olympics only care to the exact amount they have to to maintain sponsorship income.  The US is one of the few countries that doesn’t have state sponsored pharmacology as part of national team training programs(that we know of).

Psu is sort of being accused of it in this thread. 

[wrestle87]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Psu is sort of being accused of it in this thread. 

It’s been in football, basketball, and track and field since the beginning of time, and just about everybody knows some dude who was chemically enhanced from high school.  We also know that every other country uses everything possible to support their training.  It was there way before money got introduced.

Now that money is formally in college wrestling for the first time ever, it is unavoidable that the sport experiences an uptick in exogenous supplementation, but really, who cares?  We’ve been watching people on steroids forever, most people just randomly clutch pearls around this one topic.  For the health of future athletes, we shouldn’t.

[Caveira]

Just now, wrestle87 said:

It’s been in football, basketball, and track and field since the beginning of time, and just about everybody knows some dude who was chemically enhanced from high school.  We also know that every other country uses everything possible to support their training.  It was there way before money got introduced.

Now that money is formally in college wrestling for the first time ever, it is unavoidable that the sport experiences an uptick in exogenous supplementation, but really, who cares?  We’ve been watching people on steroids forever, most people just randomly clutch pearls around this one topic.  For the health of future athletes, we shouldn’t.

Testing began almost 60 years ago.  The same year of Super Bowl I.  Just Because other countries cheat doesn’t mean everyone should.   I think it’s cheating.  You’re welcome to your opinion.  

I think doing 8th grade twice to get bigger is a form of cheating too.   Legal cheating but immoral.   

[wrestle87]

8 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Testing began almost 60 years ago.  The same year of Super Bowl I.  Just Because other countries cheat doesn’t mean everyone should.   I think it’s cheating.  You’re welcome to your opinion.  

I think doing 8th grade twice to get bigger is a form of cheating too.   Legal cheating but immoral.   

I don’t think it’s great, but it’s also part and parcel of competing, and mixed messages puts all athletes at greater risk.  It prevents educated discussion around proper use of gear, and it also means some athletes don’t use and then go out and get absolutely mauled, which isn’t exactly great for their orthopedic health either.

Also, when I refer to testing I mean real testing which is a blood test, not a urine test.

[Caveira]

Just now, wrestle87 said:

I don’t think it’s great, but it’s also part and parcel of competing, and mixed messages puts all athletes at greater risk.  It prevents educated discussion around proper use of gear, and it also means some athletes don’t use and then go out and get absolutely mauled, which isn’t exactly great for their orthopedic health either.

Also, when I refer to testing I mean real testing which is a blood test, not a urine test.

How the heck did dake get up to 86kg?

[MPhillips]

15 minutes ago, Caveira said:

How the heck did dake get up to 86kg?

Dogma and nutrition...

[Hammerlock3]

51 minutes ago, Caveira said:

How the heck did dake get up to 86kg?

let wait till he wins something before we go nuts...

[MPhillips]

25 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

let wait till he wins something before we go nuts...

In all fairness (and because we know how Caveira post') I didn't sense he was going nuts...

[Coastal]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

Psu is sort of being accused of it in this thread. 

And the interesting thing is that Sanderson has never been accused by anyone who matters.   I mean it's a proven fact that the disgraced Dan Gable is a cheater.

[Hammerlock3]

1 hour ago, MPhillips said:

In all fairness (and because we know how Caveira post') I didn't sense he was going nuts...

i based it on the idea that Caveira wasn't implying its hard to make a higher weight, but if I took it to mean "how did he miss 79?" i am surprised as well.

[MPhillips]

Just now, Hammerlock3 said:

i based it on the idea that Caveira wasn't implying its hard to make a higher weight, but if I took it to mean "how did he miss 79?" i am surprised as well.

Going nuts is the reference. No more. No less...

[scourge165]

2 hours ago, wrestle87 said:

It’s been in football, basketball, and track and field since the beginning of time, and just about everybody knows some dude who was chemically enhanced from high school.  We also know that every other country uses everything possible to support their training.  It was there way before money got introduced.

Now that money is formally in college wrestling for the first time ever, it is unavoidable that the sport experiences an uptick in exogenous supplementation, but really, who cares?  We’ve been watching people on steroids forever, most people just randomly clutch pearls around this one topic.  For the health of future athletes, we shouldn’t.

I don't. I never came across anyone who did steroids in HS or College...

I did know one guy who was a prison guard who inferred he did... but I'm pretty sure he just spent a lot on questionable supplements rather than actually using steroids. 

 

1 hour ago, Coastal said:

And the interesting thing is that Sanderson has never been accused by anyone who matters.   I mean it's a proven fact that the disgraced Dan Gable is a cheater.

How? I'm genuinely curious...since people throw this around. If we're going to disgrace the titans of the sport, please have more than the nonsense this thread has been filled with about Penn State. 

[Hammerlock3]

2 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Going nuts is the reference. No more. No less...

he definitely wasn't going nuts! @Caveira

Edited yesterday at 12:31 AM by Hammerlock3

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Hammerlock3 said:

he definitely wasn't going nuts! @Caveira

I’ve probably gone nuttier about other topics.   

[scourge165]

3 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

Grok says that my characterization is accurate. 

No...it doesn't. 

[flyingcement]

3 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

No...it doesn't.