okokzach Posted March 31 Posted March 31 ..it's surprising that the entire Flo Radio cast said it should go to Carter. I know it can't have anything to do with bias from needing access and relationships to PSU and NLWC, so it really is a funny coincidence
Hammerlock3 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 Its also cause they are cowradly nerds and starocci might be mean to them "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
okokzach Posted March 31 Author Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 5:03 PM, Hammerlock3 said: Its also cause they are cowradly nerds and starocci might be mean to them Expand to be fair, Carter is the most dominant guy in interviews
Boring Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 5:03 PM, Hammerlock3 said: Its also cause they are cowradly nerds and starocci might be mean to them Expand I'd definitely be more concerned about upsetting 260 pound Wyatt than 184 pounder Starocci.
Hammerlock3 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 5:06 PM, okokzach said: to be fair, Carter is the most dominant guy in interviews Expand i remember mark hall turning into a bratty child instantly when someone asked him about the controversial head gear pull the only time he beat Valencia. 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
mksioszk2 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 5:08 PM, Hammerlock3 said: i remember mark hall turning into a bratty child instantly when someone asked him about the controversial head gear pull the only time he beat Valencia. Expand Hall beat Valencia again on 12/14/18 4-0 in the Penn State vs Arizona State duals 1
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 4:59 PM, okokzach said: ..it's surprising that the entire Flo Radio cast said it should go to Carter. I know it can't have anything to do with bias from needing access and relationships to PSU and NLWC, so it really is a funny coincidence Expand He makes his money in the attention economy, but he is just sooooo awkward at it. 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
peanut Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 4:59 PM, okokzach said: ..it's surprising that the entire Flo Radio cast said it should go to Carter. I know it can't have anything to do with bias from needing access and relationships to PSU and NLWC, so it really is a funny coincidence Expand Voting for Carter is reasonable. He had a better bonus percentage than Hendrickson (and, of course, won an unprecedented fifth title).
Spencerlee Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 6:00 PM, peanut said: Voting for Carter is reasonable. He had a better bonus percentage than Hendrickson (and, of course, won an unprecedented fifth title). Expand I don’t know how many times this needs to be said, but the Hodge trophy is single season award not a lifetime achievement award. 1
peanut Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 6:03 PM, Spencerlee said: I don’t know how many times this needs to be said, but the Hodge trophy is single season award not a lifetime achievement award. Expand In reality Hodge voting is subjective. If it were truly about dominance, as evidenced by bonus percentage, MM would have won.
mspart Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 6:00 PM, peanut said: Voting for Carter is reasonable. He had a better bonus percentage than Hendrickson (and, of course, won an unprecedented fifth title). Expand Hendrickson had 3 falls. Starrocci had 2 T falls and 1 MD. I'm not sure how that equates to a better bonus percentage. mspart 1
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 6:09 PM, mspart said: Hendrickson had 3 falls. Starrocci had 2 T falls and 1 MD. I'm not sure how that equates to a better bonus percentage. mspart Expand He means for the season, not just the tournament. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Lordnelson Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 6:03 PM, Spencerlee said: I don’t know how many times this needs to be said, but the Hodge trophy is single season award not a lifetime achievement award. Expand It's also not a "granted a 5th year because of a logistical anomaly" so he stayed to get paid award. Starocci is an all time great, but this year did nothing to enhance that already established fact. 1
fishbane Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 6:03 PM, Spencerlee said: I don’t know how many times this needs to be said, but the Hodge trophy is single season award not a lifetime achievement award. Expand Only recently has that become the case. Before the criteria changed in 2022 it includes "Past credentials" as a selection criteria. I am sure some voters still go by that.
Dogbone Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 6:19 PM, fishbane said: Only recently has that become the case. Before the criteria changed in 2022 it includes "Past credentials" as a selection criteria. I am sure some voters still go by that. Expand Didn't it also include an emphasis on pins and sportsmanship?
Caveira Posted March 31 Posted March 31 (edited) On 3/31/2025 at 6:07 PM, peanut said: In reality Hodge voting is subjective. If it were truly about dominance, as evidenced by bonus percentage, MM would have won. Expand Subjectively he lost. So there is that. he isn’t the sportiest sportsman … that we all can agree on. Edited March 31 by Caveira
fishbane Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 6:24 PM, Dogbone said: Didn't it also include an emphasis on pins and sportsmanship? Expand Pre 2022 criteria for the award was a wrestler’s record, number of pins, dominance on the mat, past credentials, quality of competition, sportsmanship/citizenship and heart. Now it is record, dominance, bonus-point percentage, quality of competition and sportsmanship. Pins are still considered as part of the bonus-point percentage criteria. Sportsmanship is still there. Citizenship and heart have been removed as criteria. 1
neweruser69 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 6:12 PM, Lordnelson said: It's also not a "granted a 5th year because of a logistical anomaly" so he stayed to get paid award. Starocci is an all time great, but this year did nothing to enhance that already established fact. Expand Well he did move up a weight and beat the returning champ who is also an absolute stud. So there's that.
WrestlingRash Posted March 31 Posted March 31 christina pyles has me blocked on twitter for mocking him for referring to team USA wrestlers as "we" and I stand by my mocking. he is a simp and a nut rider.
Not creative name Posted March 31 Posted March 31 I love CP. but he seems to get a lot of hate. I don’t understand it all.
MPhillips Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 9:42 PM, Not creative name said: I love CP. but he seems to get a lot of hate. I don’t understand it all. Expand Folks don't believe he cut enough weight and he doesn't have cauliflower ear... 1 1 .
PortaJohn Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 9:42 PM, Not creative name said: I love CP. but he seems to get a lot of hate. I don’t understand it all. Expand He bashed all of us after the old mat forum went down despite being a former board participant. He's the dork who made a few cool friends or just one (Ben Askren) and then pretended like he never played dungeons and dragons. I'm sure @Jon_Kozak can concur I Don't Agree With What I Posted
BAC Posted March 31 Posted March 31 This is a weird thread. Are you seriously saying the Flo crew preferred Starocci to suck up to PSU/NLWC, as opposed to that being their actual objective preference? Based on what? I don't buy it. I have my issues with the Flo crew, mostly that they hold their punches and are afraid to criticize a program since they're fearful of losing access to film. But that's an across-the-board problem, and doesn't come into play with the Hodge. There's no track record of pro-PSU bias. The other school is OSU, and they have every reason to maintain good relations with OSU/Taylor. It's not like Starocci is an unreasonable choice; in fact it's the right choice, IMO. Pyles' tweet is also correct: there's a reasonable argument to be made for both Carter and Wyatt. I get that Pyles grates on people, but I don't think there's any reason to think their Hodge preferences weren't honestly held. 1 1
Caveira Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 10:12 PM, BAC said: This is a weird thread. Are you seriously saying the Flo crew preferred Starocci to suck up to PSU/NLWC, as opposed to that being their actual objective preference? Based on what? I don't buy it. I have my issues with the Flo crew, mostly that they hold their punches and are afraid to criticize a program since they're fearful of losing access to film. But that's an across-the-board problem, and doesn't come into play with the Hodge. There's no track record of pro-PSU bias. The other school is OSU, and they have every reason to maintain good relations with OSU/Taylor. It's not like Starocci is an unreasonable choice; in fact it's the right choice, IMO. Pyles' tweet is also correct: there's a reasonable argument to be made for both Carter and Wyatt. I get that Pyles grates on people, but I don't think there's any reason to think their Hodge preferences weren't honestly held. Expand If he was the right choice he would have won. He did not. He should have thought about his sportsmanship and his public persona. There is no need to cry over spilled milk. The voting is over and they chose Wyatt.
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/31/2025 at 11:29 PM, Caveira said: If he was the right choice he would have won. He did not. He should have thought about his sportsmanship and his public persona. There is no need to cry over spilled milk. The voting is over and they chose Wyatt. Expand A freakin men. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
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